Correct 4-speed shifter in a 1969 Dart?

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Question for the Guru's! 1st pic is the shifter in my Dart. The 2nd pic is a Dart being sold at Mecum Indy in July. Both cars are bench seats. What are your thoughts??? Thanks

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It doesn't say HURST on the side. The one out of my car did. I have an F-body or handle that is blank like that one but it has 3 bends where as my other one has 2 like you picture.
 
I had a member inquire about A body shifters other box with the right levers. I have two shifters like above, both attached to a correct box neither say Hurst on the handle. Look at BrewersPerformance.com he shows all the different handles hat they came with. It is all confusing!!
 
I think the shifters with that extra bend was used latter in A's I think that is maybe a 68 or so. Did they use the Inland in an A body?? Just wondering?
 
That shifter handle I have pictured is out of a 69 same up to 73 that I have. The handle the PO pictured is out of a Aspen-Volare
 
Yes. It should say HURST, embossed vertcally. I believe
the handle shape for the basic floor shifter is straighter, cause the floor hole is left of center a bit. It is different from the center console shifter handle which bends over to the middle, to fit through the center area. See pics:
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Here is a picture showing the factory Hurst 1968 mid year to 1971, bayonet style handle
next to the 1971 and later bolt in style handle.
The #7036 is the original shifter handle from my 69 Dart GTS

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I always assumed the 3 bend handles were for bench cars.

Inlands were used in up to 67 accept I thought there was a 1 year Hurst used in the early A bodies, possibly on the 273 4bbl cars.
 
I always assumed the 3 bend handles were for bench cars.

Inlands were used in up to 67 accept I thought there was a 1 year Hurst used in the early A bodies, possibly on the 273 4bbl cars.
I can see that, makes sense.
So there were 3 different possibilities for 69 Dart shifters?
Bucket, Bench, Center Consloe?
 
69 darts had two shifters console and non console. The floor bracket kept the seat from coming to far forward and interfering with the shifter in 2nd or 4th on a bench car. 69 was the only year that I saw with the bent hurst for a console. Except for one 71. They may have had them in late 68?
 
69 darts had two shifters console and non console. The floor bracket kept the seat from coming to far forward and interfering with the shifter in 2nd or 4th on a bench car. 69 was the only year that I saw with the bent hurst for a console. Except for one 71. They may have had them in late 68?
So that answers the original Question from 4speed340Swinger.
 
The very first shifter pictured is for at least a 68-72 non console A body from Hurst, maybe a 67 A body. I had that same handle in at least 4 68-72 cars, some I changed out the Inland shifter to an aftermarket Hurst shifter because of the rubber bushings on the Inland where the handle mated to the shifter itself.
 
2nd picture is a O/D Hurst shifter around 75-76 and F bodies, the ball ends up in the same place. Inland was used for 66 and 67 A bodies, and again in later F Bodies, for 1 year I believe. There was a shorter, handle 68-69 non console bucket seat stick. 64 and 65 A bodies used Hurst bolt on stick that was different, including mounting plate and rods. Post #12 are the standard A body sticks. I can't see the first picture either.
 
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Post #12 shows the difference between the OEM installed Hurst shifter handles & the aftermarket Hurst shifter bought by folks who didn't like the slop in the rubber bushings of the inland shifters.
 
Post #12 shows the difference between the OEM installed Hurst shifter handles & the aftermarket Hurst shifter bought by folks who didn't like the slop in the rubber bushings of the inland shifters.

The slop was not just in the bushings. The Inland shifters were not even close to a Hurst shifter. The aftermarket A body Hurst did not have a bolt on handle. It was welded to the shifter, except later Hurst offerings using a generic Hurst shifter. Post #12 shows the 68 to 71 bench seat bayonet handle and the 71 1/2 up 4 speed bolt in handle.

Brewer's Performance - Mopar A833 4-Speed Transmission and Component Specialists

Brewer's Performance - Mopar A833 4-Speed Transmission and Component Specialists
 
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The very first shifter pictured is for at least a 68-72 non console A body from Hurst, maybe a 67 A body. I had that same handle in at least 4 68-72 cars, some I changed out the Inland shifter to an aftermarket Hurst shifter because of the rubber bushings on the Inland where the handle mated to the shifter itself.
I have confused that shifter myself with the 69 and newer a-body handles. That first picture looks to be a Volare/Aspen overdrive
 
The slop was not just in the bushings. The Inland shifters were not even close to a Hurst shifter. The aftermarket A body Hurst did not have a bolt on handle. It was welded to the shifter, except later Hurst offerings using a generic Hurst shifter. Post #12 shows the 68 to 71 bench seat bayonet handle and the 71 1/2 up 4 speed bolt in handle.

Brewer's Performance - Mopar A833 4-Speed Transmission and Component Specialists

Brewer's Performance - Mopar A833 4-Speed Transmission and Component Specialists

OK I HAVE A 69 A BODY BARRACUDA THAT HAD THE ORIGINAL BAYONET SHIFTER, I REMOVED IT WHEN I PUT IN A CONSOLE AND NEEDED TO HAVE THE CONSOLE SHIFTER (BENT SHIFTER)
WHEN I BOUGHT THE SHIFTER FROM BREWERS ( WHO HAVE BEEN GREAT WITH ME AND MY NEEDS) I ENDED UP GETTING THE SHIFTER THAT HAS THE 2 SCREWS.
OBLIVIOUS TO SCREW ON AND BAYONET SHIFTERS I JUST PLACED IT IN AND HAVE BEEN USING IT EVER SINCE ( 2 YRS NOW) NOT LONG AGO I REALIZED THAT THERE WAS THIS DIFFERENCE AND BOUGHT A PIECE THEY SELL THAT WILL ALLOW YOU TO PUT THE SCREW ON SHIFTER USING THE BAYONET CORRECTOR.
WHAT I NEVER UNDERSTOOD WAS HOW DID THE BENT SHIFTER WORK ( STILL DOES) AND NOT BEING A BAYONET STYLE SHIFTER ?

THIS IS WHY I'M NOT TOO KEEN ON WHICH SHIFTER I USE ANY MORE, SO LONG AS IT WORKS.
 
OK I HAVE A 69 A BODY BARRACUDA THAT HAD THE ORIGINAL BAYONET SHIFTER, I REMOVED IT WHEN I PUT IN A CONSOLE AND NEEDED TO HAVE THE CONSOLE SHIFTER (BENT SHIFTER)
WHEN I BOUGHT THE SHIFTER FROM BREWERS ( WHO HAVE BEEN GREAT WITH ME AND MY NEEDS) I ENDED UP GETTING THE SHIFTER THAT HAS THE 2 SCREWS.
OBLIVIOUS TO SCREW ON AND BAYONET SHIFTERS I JUST PLACED IT IN AND HAVE BEEN USING IT EVER SINCE ( 2 YRS NOW) NOT LONG AGO I REALIZED THAT THERE WAS THIS DIFFERENCE AND BOUGHT A PIECE THEY SELL THAT WILL ALLOW YOU TO PUT THE SCREW ON SHIFTER USING THE BAYONET CORRECTOR.
WHAT I NEVER UNDERSTOOD WAS HOW DID THE BENT SHIFTER WORK ( STILL DOES) AND NOT BEING A BAYONET STYLE SHIFTER ?

THIS IS WHY I'M NOT TOO KEEN ON WHICH SHIFTER I USE ANY MORE, SO LONG AS IT WORKS.

Pretty interesting. The bottom line is, as you said, so long as it works. I personally prefer the 64-65 Hurst A Body shifter. I use them in all my A bodies, Standard and O/D. The thing to know is what mounting plate to use, what linkage and what body. Not much difference between A Body Bayonet, 71 up bolt in, or even the 64-65 Hurst shifters.
 
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