I,m not cheap i,m broke

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daredevil

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Lately everyday there is a new cause someone wants you to send money to. I always wonder if people look down on me when I dont donate lately. I sit sleepless some nights trying to figure out how to finish my car so I can sell it so I can afford my daughter a school car. I havent had a vacation in three years as I cant afford one.I posted this and a mod deleted it. Yet people ask for donations for people with their own buisnesses and people who I looked at their vacation pics and others with show cars wrecked but insured but some still ask you to help.I,ve helped so many i cant count anymore and seen people turn their backs on people who really were in need because they werent popular. I really dont care who this pisses off because i,m tired of being asked to help people better off than I am. Pick your charities wisely or when a real need arises people may be too tired of being hit up to give. Rant over.
 
well, i feel your pain, but it does not say " YOU MUST DONATE". I CHOOSE TO WHEN I WANT TO AND CAN AFFORD IT. NO ONE IS MAD IF YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO
 
Charlie Daniels Band "long hair country boy" sums up what you are thinking. not all of it, but some
 
Im with you on that Daredevil. I wish I could help way more than I do. I have more car parts than I do money, so in my opinion an auction would be better so that more people can contribute. I havent worked in over a year and have gone in debt huge to get my car to the point it is at, but I said pi$$ on it I have had it for 20 years and hasnt turned a wheel so in debt I go. Trust me I would love to help out a lot more and I probably would if it was done in an auction style. I hope no one takes this the wrong way and FABO has helped me out huge, whether its advice or with parts and I try to help out when I can. Not ranting, but want people to know why I dont donate as much as some other members can.
 
I,m glad to see some here understand. If I could i would save the world but it just aint happening. All I can do lately is mow the elderly neighbors lawn or let people in in traffic or small gestures of that nature. Hope it gets better soon.
 
I understand your rant fully. My wifes health has caused us financial difficulty's to the point of selling our house/bussiness and moving to a better climate. Have not worked on my car for 3 years now. Sits unfinished.We've made bad choices in the town we choose to easy her pain,as the local mill was closed 6 months later and the town died. I am in another town in our travel trailer working to establish myself again. She's at the house til it sells( 9+ months now) When it sells we will be renters because banks will look at our tax returns and say no income to get another loan.Hard to go from $6000 a month income to $ 500.Toys and parts cars are being sold. I am sure others on this site have problems like us and are silent about it. We have family that is helping , so please no charity drive for us. Wish I could help others as we used too also, but can't. So don't come down on peeps who aren't donating to help the others. ( 1 thread had a comment about 1000 views and less than 50 reply's) My support rant now over. Love all you peeps and this is a great site with a great attitude.
 
I,m glad to see some here understand. If I could i would save the world but it just aint happening. All I can do lately is mow the elderly neighbors lawn or let people in in traffic or small gestures of that nature. Hope it gets better soon.


A lot us have it rough, I live small job to small job, if I really get hard up I dump parts on ebay or I sell off a car project, if it gets really, really bad I'll send one through the crusher, whatever it takes to survive... No one here is judging you and we no where you're coming from..
 
I hear what you are saying daredevil. Seems to be quite a bit more people in trouble lately.

My motto too is "a country boy can survive". There have been times in the past when I didn't know where I was going to get money to eat for the next week, but I eat beans, pray, tighten up my boot straps and work harder to pay the bills. Working 2 full time jobs sometimes. I wish I could give to people on here more often sometimes too, but you have to take care of yourself and your family. My wife and kids come first.
 
Pete you can,t put a price on the smile of your loving daughter,soon she,ll be out on her own and will make things easier on your pocket book $$.We,re all hurting financially,just some more than others.Keep your chin up,it,ll get better,we hope.
 
Some times money is not the real help people need. It may just be a short term fix to a bigger problem. I'm guilty of not helping members on this board by giving money. I probably could but I just don't. I really feel that money should be earned not just given away. Yes there are exceptions. I had a close friend that had a Seven year old son that had cancer. I gave and would of given that family everything I had to cure their child. Unfortionatly after fighting it for a year he passed away.

Here at A Bodies only I will stay to giving advice when I can. A big thank you to all the members that have help me in that same way over the years.
 
I feel as though I may have offended some people by asking for help for people and also offering to help out others. If this is so then I am sorry, I know that there are a LOT of hurting people out here. I wish that I could help you all out and believe me that I pray for all of you as well. I live by the motto "If you give, you will receive 10X over" and even if I never receive anything in the dollars sense of this, If I gain the knowledge that I tried then I am at peace with what I have done. I am truly sorry that there are so many people who are hurting, I myself have been there many times over. I just feel it is always better to give than to receive.
 
Not offended only pointing out that there are people who,s situations are much more dire. Some really need help who are often overlooked and it is a hard pill to swallow when they see others in much better shape than themselves touted for donations. I believe if you are going to ask for charity it should be severely needed not the whim of the week.
 
I hear ya DD.

But as was said before....no one would think any less of you for not helping out in given situations.

Not everyone has the extra funds to help others in need when they them self are not in the best financial situation.

I found myself just today see that someone was in need....and even though I am BROKE AS A JOKE and my wife has been out of work for almost a month and bills are piling up and my home was broke into and my vehicle has been sitting broke down in my drive way.....I still donated a little bit to the cause....just because I have been helped by FABO members here before and I know the great feeling you get to see that there are people out there that care even though they may have never even seen your face before.

I don't feel like anyone should feel it is "there place" to help others financial situation better.....but I feel if there are people out there who want badly enough to help and are ok with sparing what they feel comfortable with sparing then they can go right ahead and do so.

But again, I really doubt any one looks at you as any less of a person because you can't help out.......even with as many people here on fabo that may be somewhat of a "family" you still have to keep your actual family in the number one spot and thats what matters is that they come first!

heck.....I sure could use some donations rolling in for my family before we lose our home and everything we own because we are so broke.....but in the end, I do what I do to scrounge by until we can get things back on track and I keep my fingers crossed that things start looking up for the best.

With todays economy I think there are ALOT of people all in the same boat.....and everyone can't be helped financially......but even some kind words go a long way.

take care of your own buddy....don't sweat it...no one thinks less of you!
 
Singing to the choir my freind. Move over on down the bench, this ship has plenty of room.
 
I think that some of the people who get help will "pay it forward" 10 to 20X over, while some others might be in the same shape come next month... One of my buddys on here the other night PM'ed me and said "some of the members on here are going to start feeling tapped out", thay were right in my openion...
 
Yeah I was thinking after 3 years its my turn to watch and let the fresh meat pick up the tab.But if a good reason pops up I will be there to help.
 
I'M OFFENDED BY THIS THREAD..DD ITS SEEMS HERE OF LATE U HAVE ALOT OF NEGATIVE COMMENTS ON THREADS EVEN STATING UR DONE WITH FABO AND ARE NOT GOING TO RENEW UR MEMBERSHIP..ALOT OF PEOPLE ARE STRUGGLING EVEN MYSELF AND I SEE IT AS Dustermaniac has stated u give and it will return 10 fold i would rather share my last dollar than to see someone go without.....this is my opinion on how i see things..
 
bad economy=hard times

not everyone wants to share there problems with FABO. if I said I'm doing great I'd be called a jerk for it.
If I say I'm not doing good I'd be told to join the club.

And the reason the fresh meat doesn't pick up the tab, the tabs from a exclusive club we aren't invited too.
 
And the reason the fresh meat doesn't pick up the tab, the tabs from a exclusive club we aren't invited too.
If your meaning is that some times you feel you are not "welcome" here, count me in.
 
I'm new meat here and I feel welcome. This site is for all. Doners or not. Sorry you feel that way. What can I/we/FABO do to help you feel welcome?
 
I'm with u on that I feel that way all the time !!!

You guys shouldn't feel like that... Hell, you should see some of the
PM's I get sent to me, I think I've got everything but a death thread so far, I shake it off and keep going... Don't be offended by the thread, DD had something to say, so he said it...
 
Offended, no....DD spoke his mind nothing wrong with that. At the same time I think it is fair to say that while I have and will contine to offer help to others, there are just certain people that there is no way in hell I would help. It is true that this web site is like an extended family, and just like any family there are going to be members that just flat out do not like others. And there will also be members that, for what ever the reason, could use some help but never let it be known. And then they lash out.....
 
I feel the need to respond here. Forgive me now if I get windy.

Be careful daredevil Pete ... I typed those same "I'm Broke" words a few days ago solely in an effort to get my customers to include a deposit with their parts so I could cover my working expenses. The next morning I was the subject of a FABO fund raising effort I knew absolutely nothing about, had no prior warning of, and didn't expect in a million years.

By the time I found out about it, the ball was already rolling and my shop's paypal account was posted for all the world to click on. Despite my public objection, donations were made anyway. I wasn't sure how to handle the explosion and controlling it was beyond my ability.

I made 3 phone calls. To DRENO first, who started the fund raiser thread. Then Memike and Ramcharger, who were both unexpecting beneficiaries of earlier FABO fund raisers and both of whom are customers I now consider to be very good friends. None of them were available when I called.

But Memike and Ramcharger returned my calls within the hour. Truth be told, I was kinda waiting for them to say something first in this thread. But in speaking with each of them, I guess I have to let it out that they felt exactly the same feelings I've been going through ever since the thing started on my behalf. My first instinct was to refund every one of them for a variety of reasons: I don't deserve it. I did nothing to earn it. I felt guilty. I'm positive there are hundreds in a worse boat than I'm in because I have a roof over my head, and food on the table, and some great customers to work for.

I didn't ask for this. If the situation was crucial or life threatening, I wouldn't even ask then. It's just not the way I do things. I was raised to work hard and do the best I can with what I have, same as you Pete. I feel awful that you singled me out in your post, albeit without mentioning my name (like we've had so many fund raising efforts for business owners around here lol), but please understand it was totally beyond my control and done without my knowledge.

One of my customers was surprised to learn today that I was a victim of Hurricane Katrina almost five years ago. (That's why it's "Phoenix" Specialty Coatings by the way ... risin from the ashes of disaster and all that.) Believe you me honey, I know exactly what it's like to be broke. My car -- the one I've had for 19 years and still haven't finished -- and a few clothes survived ... and Billy didn't have me listed as an insured on the policy. The law firm I'd worked for for 2 years relocated 75 miles away from home and my daily driver '83 Mustang GT was destroyed; I got fired for not showing up the day before my 40th birthday 2 weeks after the storm. We lived with Billy's parents for 13 months until we relocated here to the middle-of-effin-nowhere Tennessee after buying this house on the internet sight unseen. The closest lawyers were 60 miles away, so I hung up my powder coating shingle and turned a hobby into a business on May 31, 2007.

We still don't have any furniture. Vacation?!? My last one was in 2002. But we've got a great house, a 30x40 shop I can work in, our health, our hot rods and our kitties. Compared to the salary I used to pull in as a paralegal, there's never been more than a grand in the bank since we moved. But thanks to this little car forum right here that I openly love and adore so much, business is really picking up, you guys are keeping me busy on a daily basis (with overtime), and one of these days I know in my heart that things will be better.

You might not have ever noticed, but I've never been able to kick in any cash for any FABO fund raiser ever. I do donate Gift Certificates regularly though ... because it's all I can do right now. But I love doing it and helping other people in any way I can and don't pass up the opportunity when it comes along.

So now that I've revealed a lot more about my personal life than I ever cared to, maybe you can understand how the FABO donations the last few days have seemed almost like winning the lottery. The comment about "only 50 replies in a 1000 views" referred to earlier didn't translate into fifty donations, but $1,500 is a total windfall compared to the way life has been the last five years. I am beyond grateful. And as the thread originator wanted, I have been able to relax a little bit and enjoy a little cushion. It's not a familiar feeling at all and I still wanna throw up half the time.

I spent $38 on some new ink cartridges so I can print out my Gift Certificates and became a Gold member today. But that's it. I've gotten some great advice from a few people and have a couple little plans up my sleeve.

What this all comes down to is that FABO has a lot of members -- over 14,000 of them -- and those members are made up of good, caring people who still give a damn about their fellow man. It's obvious in the everyday posts where advice and parts are freely given ... in the moral support we lend each other in restoration threads ... the informal welcoming committee who comes out of the woodwork to make our new members feel at home ... and in the very public ways we help when someone falls on hard times. Let's face it. FABO isn't your average motorhead forum. And as dustermaniac said so well, there's no way to help everyone.

But helping one is better than none at all.

I remember very well a certain awesome guy who took it upon himself to pass out a few hundred hot dogs to some hungry people after a catastrophe in Texas awhile back. That guy's still around helping people as he can ... but he's just got a few other priorities right now. :-D

Sorry about the novel. Hope I didn't lose a cup size getting all of that off my chest.
 
There's a lot to think about here, and I believe it's good to get some of these difficult subjects out on the table.

I can relate to how Daredevil feels, right or wrong. It already feels bad when money is tight, then on top of that, it feels bad to hear 'come on, guys, we all need to help' and not being able to help.

It seems like the problems people are expressing have to do with judgeing and being judged. Ironically, someone has to make a judgment call to ask for help for a member, then many of us make judgments about them and other members. Are they worthy? Are they cheap?

Very few of us know or have even met each other. No one here knows me. We are judging people based on words they have typed...which is a pretty flimsy way to judge somebody.

What's the answer? Try not to judge people. But judging is such an ingrained habit it is easier said than done.
 
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