John I ended up useing 3x1 tube(was in a rush,while doing minitubbs)but will cut some up this winter and redo them.The templates will be used,trust me.I have all winter this time to do improvements,most work is already done.Jeez,I haven,t even painted my cage as having my tranny/d.shaft issues tookup any extra time this summer.Oh Caltracs also this winter.