then they shall be put on here as mystery "pie-tin"! I really need to get a better camera, describing things in text to a t is difficult. lol. But I know they do not fit my car, like there was no way they would either unless I really forced em on using pure brute force. Even the one of the previous owner's, chafin, said that they did not fit the car and the owner previous him also told him this when he bought the car.