Sub Frame connector conundrum
And what about the giant boxed structure that supports the floor (Sheer Plane)? The floor doesn't act in a vacuum here, it has other supporting structure that are directly and indirectly attached to it.
If you think that the addition of connectors which do not incorporate the floor are not sufficient or don't stop rotational twist, you haven't installed a set and jacked up the car from a corner. With every addition there are sometimes drawbacks to those additions, floor pan tearing at weld points.
Like Joe said, if you are so concerned with rotational forces, put a cage in the car and tie it end to end... anything short of that is patchwork engineering.
IMO, You guys are over-thinking this.
You are exactly correct! I'm not saying the sub frame connectors are the only structure!
Obviously there are many more parts to the uni-body that tie the car together!
All the little impressions, divots, bends, rolled edges and beads are all a part of the structure and the reason they are there is to stiffen the panels. I'm sure you all know this.
As for the Roll Cages yes of course that is one of the best solutions guys. Wasn't the point of the thread, but yes that's pretty much a given. ALSO IN A WHOLE OTHER REALM WHEN IT COMES TO BUILDING MOST OF THE PROJECTS HERE.
As for tearing of the floor near welds....Well at that point chances are pretty good you need more than sub frame connectors, because you have some pretty decent power!
Torque Boxes are a good example of what we are trying to accomplish as well. They triangulate / box the frame to the structure in the rocker area as well as the firewall takes up some of thee stress.
Another example is old "C-channel" style frames. I have boxed many frames... Why........? Because it seriously helps strengthen the frame by adding that "wall" to the C and closing it up.
As a matter of fact thats a decent example as well..
If you welded a tube parallel to an old frame, but only welded that tube to the frame at the front and rear of the car and spaced it 1/2" away from the inside of the frame, it would not help in the slightest bit.
Not quite sure why everyone has to get all worked up and mention that people are over thinking things so much. Jeez guys.
This is a discussion FORUM.
I have been away from the site for a while. Has it gotten so bad around here that we cant have a decent discussion with out getting fed up any more?
Stay cool daddy-O :glasses2::glasses2::glasses2::glasses2::glasses2::glasses2::glasses2::glasses2::glasses2:
