You missed the point. I was talking about all the bench racers that have never even had thier car at the strip. You know, the pro street, 2-4's through the hood, etc that you talk to at car shows. If you read my post, you know that I said my car may or may not run 11.99 at your altitude. It runs 12.7 with a 1.89 60'at 5800'. Sea level is a whole different ball game.