finished 12th at RTTH'S 8

To make more clear, I just meant most top cars don't have any stock suspension chassis points, suspension types. I'm pretty sure the DSE cars have a completely fabbed front sub frame. So maybe not a full frame, but half of one. And the rear is 100% fabbed too and it's connected by fabbed frame connectors. Essentially making it a full frame.

I sure don't disagree with you one bit. A lot of the super fast GM cars are running fully fabbed C6 Corvette front subframes and a 4 link rear with frame connectors and a full cage. The biggest advantage in my opinion is the GM cars do have the option to run coilovers and tubular upper and lower control arms with a stock subframe and pickup points. This is where my cheap statement came in. You can put upper and lower control arms, a bolt in 4 tubular 4 link, and a full set of coilovers under a GM for around $3500 using the stock sub and pick up points. I could be totally wrong here but I would think that a car equipped with this kind of setup would run competitively next to a Mopar with the Alterkation and Street Lynx setups that cost twice as much to run. The only real advantage I see with the Alterkation is the addition of rack and pinion but with the advances in gearbox technology I think they could still be competitive.