LOL O.K., let me get ahold of the guy at Moroso and see if they have the dimensions saved. By my experience, they ARE the "go to" company for a nice pan. They build the Drag Pak pans (front sump) so they already have the thick rails available with cutouts for oil return, etc. I heard crappy feedback from a guy with a Charlie's pan. He said his welds were horrible whereas these Moroso welds are BEAUTIFUL. I'll get back to you guys once I talk to Moroso.