pettybluedart, seems like I jacked my own thread. I was talking to my Canadian buddies at the Indy meet and they have been trying to get me to come to Moparfest for a while so I hatched a plan to take my Sons Viper and go to Chryslers at Carlile and when we leave there go to Detroit for the Woodward dream cruise (The Mancini guys said all the locals cruise during the weeknights)and then leave there and go to Moparfest. I'm going to make a regular mancation out of it. If I can pull it off without getting divorced! So if you see a couple of tired looking hillbillys cruising around in a 2003 Viper red with silver stripes you will know we made it.