PiosonDart74, The reason for all the pages is that I'm doing my best to document (show other members) everything involved with putting a 2004R into an auto console '69 Barracuda. I could have put much less information here but then it wouldn't help nearly as much. Plus there were quite a few member questions along the way. The members at FABO have helped me so much I was just trying to repay them by giving every detail. Anyone who doesn't plan to put a 2004R into their car might find this thread boring but after some see that it is possible and they know all the problems ahead of time then it might encourage some to go through with it!! The main reason I'm trying this is because of "Mopar to ya" and his thread on this subject. If it hadn't been for him blazing the trail I would not have tried it!!!! Pay Forward>>>>>>>