3G Hemi vs LSx vs Ford Mod Motor - which is the 'best'? And which to put in mopar?

MoparDaddy said
you may as well be arguing with a brick. I gave up with comparisons.

magnumdust said
wasn't the initial argument specific to street/strip cars and not unlimited budget builds?

No, the start of this wasn't specific to street/strip cars.

I first posted to contend against this statement:

LXguy said
The new hemi can't hold a candle to the LSX for anywhere near the same money, especially not the 5.7.

uhcoog1 said
I disagree with this statement.

The $$ savings with an LSx build come with running stock bottom ends and mating them with stock heads available for other LS family motors. I agree there are some builds you can do with an LSx that are cheaper, but to say a new hemi can't hold a candle to the LSx for anywhere near the same money just isn't the truth.

If you're forging a motor and porting heads, the hemi makes more hp/ci, and the cost difference is negligible.

I made three statements here:

1- the LSx is cheaper with stock bottom ends and stock heads

2- to say a hemi 'can't hold a candle to the LSx for anywhere near the same money' just isn't the truth

3- when forging motors and porting heads, the hemi makes more hp/ci, and the cost difference is negligible.

Your first post in response is below. Keep in mind, I only made 3 statements in my previous post, and one of them was stating the LSx was superior with a 'budget build' mentality

magnumdust said
Oh yeah, i forgot about everyone doing those crazy budget build new hemi swaps into everything for peanuts and making massive amounts of power..../sarcasm

Face it, the hemi is a decent modern engine, a good first try considering Mopar chose to sit on their "LA" *** while ford/chevy evolved their engines. So while its decent, its sub-par to the LS and now the 5.0 coyote engines.

So which of my statements were you arguing against? I only made two statements that were not pro-LSx:

a- to say a hemi 'can't hold a candle to the LSx for anywhere near the same money' just isn't the truth

b- when forging motors and porting heads, the hemi makes more hp/ci, and the cost difference is negligible.

So are you saying the hemi can't hold a candle to an LSx for anywhere near the same money? Or that forged hemi's with ported heads are sub-par to the LSx? Those are the only two statements I made, mind you. Your post was obviously directed at me, so I had to assume you were arguing against one of those two points.

uhcoog1 said
That "sub par" hemi won the engine masters 2011 with a 03-08 5.7 block and 03-08 5.7 heads. The platform they won with was mopar's first go at it, and it's still enough to build an engine masters winner. So tell me how that is sub-par? It beat the "evolved" ford/chevy offerings. And didn't even use the newer hemi head offerings. (I have to say I am very impressed with the coyote- talk about a game changer! I would not be surprised if a coyote won this year).

If you will re-read my earlier posts, I think the LSx is a great motor and a great platform. But, the hemi has a superior head, and has more potential because of it. I also had no problem stating that certain build levels can be done cheaper with an LSx vs a Hemi, but I can't say that LSx builds are cheaper across the board, because that's just not true. Forged motor builds will be about the same price.

As stated before, the advantage the LSx has in the budget build category is stock short blocks and stock heads. That's cheaper than a hemi, and Arguably has a stronger bottom end.

The failure of the new hemi is Mopar's inability to put it in anything under 4500 pounds.

All these posts were made in 2012. This was the 'start' of it.