Krazykuda, I am not saying you don't have some legitimate points, however, ranting about all what you don't like about your Dodge headquarters is completely off subject of what this thread is about. I suggest you and AbodyJoe (lol) start a rant thread about everything you hate about the new Dodges, the way its operated, and how the Mustang is the best car ever built, etc, etc, etc, instead of jumping on every thread that is linked to the new Challenger and hi-jacking the topic to turn it into a rant fest about your inner tumults that you wake up to everyday.?.? A lot of us would like to discuss the topic on the title, but every thread I read like this is hi-jacked by whiners. I will say it: If you like Fords the best, then become a Ford-fanatic!!!! Nobody cares. There must be a Ford forum that you can jump on??? It must be miserable to have to HATE the cars you claim to love, so you love to hate 'em? Or hate to love 'em?