:wack: My warmed over slant with 265 BFG T/As will easily create clouds by foot-braking. As a matter of fact, spin starts after the converter stalls at around 15-1700. Shoot, I can even punch it from a *small* roll (5mph?) and spin a little. No need for them fancy line lock dohickys, but windshield washer fluid will help make a sunny day cloudy :glasses7: