I didn't start this thread to listen to the "Penske Crew" talk nonsense but expected it would head that way eventually. I hope it's all in fun...lifes too short:burnout:.Keslowski and Logano are both great and I do mean great drivers but lets see how many championships they will have when they are 43 years old.Might have many but only time will tell.If you can't see that Brad hides behind his crew I can't help ya O:) Like I said I've been involved and all these guys are whiners. Great Success breeds those who dislike them just because they are successful.:)