Thanks - allot of input, still cant figure out what's going on, I've looked at 2 other bare k frames, The idler arm mount is basically in the same position everything looks the same the welds look factory nothing looks bent, frame rails are straight ,K frame is sitting tight to the frame,The steering box is flush to the K frame @ 03 corners , I have a 6 cylinder crossmember in a factory big block k frame, I did notice on Jim's auto parts website a part number for a small block but a separate pitman part number for a big block on a Pitman arm - I have tried 2- the one that came with the car as well as a aftermarket moog who only lists 1 part number, could there be one 1" shorter ?