Does it matter then if it come out of a non lock up, I know that the v-bodies are different between the two, as I believe that the lock-up has a extra valve( seen the difference on u-tube) I do have an old one that was with the slant-6 I believe is a non lock up, wonder if I can swap spring's, plus I have a 727( I know I should have used but I have got some money in this A-904 now I am slightly regretting it) are the v-bodies interchangeable? also I do not get mad at folks for suggestions, I realize that its hard to type sounds and descriptions over the internet, or even over the phone for that matter, I have guessed myself and even had others help and not have been right, hell last year I had an overheating problem that I spent some money trying to fix, in the end it was the water pump(go figure)plus all the time I have spent pulling and re-installing this trans.I really just appreciate the help and advice this sight gives, I only hope I can help folks as I get a little better myself.