maybe I am taking your rant a bit out of context (and it does come off as a min-rant) but, "crowd of mopar people in general" - really? we are as diverse as any other sect of car loving humans.. I assure you of that - "hating" on all because of the actions of a few... :wack: and bothers me so much that I have to stop typing before I get myself in trouble... :violent2: