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well, I`ve "most of the time" tried to say a short prayer for everyone that asks it. guess now it`s my turn. I`m working on 70 yrs., and turned my 4 wheeler over and got tangled up in it. tweaked both knees and back muscles. left knee seems to be hyper-extended in all directions. don`t think there is any ligament damage. man I`m sore ! I can see what some of the old guys at church are up against, not being able to get up and down, and around! really sucks, not ready for this! thanks, bob