Best magnum MPG?

My point is real world gains don't exist and it's foolish to account for that over gear ratios within the transmission, axles, chassis and aerodynamic characteristics, engine fuel demands, and available torque. I'm not discussing in-town. That's far more heavily dependent on driving style, idling time (i.e. traffic), and as such usually not very comparable in my mind.

The thing is if you compare a 4000lb car to a 2900lb car with the same everything those differences marked are rare. Same when comparing a 2900lb Jeep to a 4000lb Jeep- often the economy's just about the same. Same motor will typically do a bit worse in a Jeep, a bit worse than that in a full frame Jeep, and than even worse in a full frame truck. That doesn't mean it'll have to do horrible, but it will do less. By the time you're typically talking of the utilitarian barn-door aero designed full size truck it's typically far lower, even if that full size truck is 200+lbs lighter than the car.


That I completely agree with. And I'll add I'm impressed you've seen 20mpg out of Wranglers. I think that's also why they've all pretty much gone to these VVT style setups so it'll cut power at cruise but it'll have the power under load to perk the maxes up even though they may be totally unobservable.

Only on the ones we swapped in a 5.2 magnum and nv3500 5 speed. Typical mpg from same TJ with 2.5L was mid to low teens and doing nothing else but 5.2 swap has yielded 22 mpg in one I built and another got 21 consistently if kept under 70 on freeway. Our shop is 10 miles out of town on 199 Redwood Highway, 2-4 lane with 55-60 average speed and I would always get 18 "town" mpg which was about 1/2 199 hwy and 1/2 small town driving. We dont get traffic, just a lot of lights and stop signs. Customer lived it Sparks NV and got 20 driving to Reno for work, with real traffic.
My 2001 TJ with 325 hp 5.2 44RE 4.88 geared 8.8 Furd and 35x12.5 mud tires got 17 hwy/16 "town" and when towing my 2000# 18' North River Jet boat through mountains of Southern Oregon at 65 would get an easy 14 mpg(1100' ele to 6200' in 60 miles crossing 5K', 5.5K' and the big one 6200 by Crater Lake). Talk about a barn door, towing a barn....want to piss of a Chebby guy, blow past his Z71 PU on freeway in a TJ with 3 dirt bikes in a trailer going up hill, they get super pissed:D