Yes I think 13's is still slow, I personally don't care what anybody in the stands thinks as I'm competing and not watching.......my point is that the people watching find cars that run those times as boring.......it's a simple truth that you can try to defend all you want. Your point of my mid to high 10 second street being nothing special is true to an extent as the reality is with all the different power adders guys are utilizing today they are able to run quicker that 10's fairly easily but I think your stretching it a bit by comparing the droves of 7-8 second street cars out there to my mid 10 second car. Now if you would like to compare cars that are realistically similar then i would be very interested in seeing how slow or average or nothing special my car is..........I know for a fact that it performs for what IT IS as a package better than average BUT NOT yet at a level that makes people's jaws drop in disbelief. As far as the OP is concerned I congratulated him and just like myself and most others he wants to go faster and so the beat goes on, was I wrong about what I predicted versus what he was hoping?......yup I was......no big deal......but 7-8 second TRUE street cars are incredibly rare where they take it out driving every night of the week and then race it on the weekend all the while filling up at the local gas station. Oh one more thing......I have no problem not liking you either as I think you are a PUTZ. Tak