Missed on this combo?
You quoted in my quote. So make's it hard to work with.
But I'll try and reply.
Yes. I know it hurts. When you buy a head and EXPECT less performance. What has the mopar world come to when we do that? Have we all become so jaded we expect less? I'm glad you also don't consider it money lost. And yes, no one wants to default on their mortgage. I certainly hope you aren't just to see what these heads do. I would never want to see another mopar engine builder, especially a fellow canuck, go under just for the sake of us. I know you bought them with maybe a higher expectation than you got. I think that's garbage. I don't think its unreasonable to expect what a supplier says these heads will do. No matter what, it is still "money well spent" in my opinion. And here's why. You spent money I didn't have to. To test these heads. To see how they do. Even if they don't make the power you expected them to. Don't think of it as money lost. Think of it as advertising dollars spent. You have earned me (and others) as a customer and a believer because you spent your money to try and save ours. If that makes sense.
I have maybe had a dozen Canadian beers. So I MIGHT not be making complete sense here.
I wish people could be held accountable. That's why I was "all over" the subject earlier. Telling Mike that these heads are NOT impressive. I am not impressed by ported stock level flows. I am not impressed by their CNC work. The only way Hughes (or anyone else for that matter) will change their tune. Is if we call them on their ****. If I was Mike. I would have had these heads flowed at 3 different shops. Taken the numbers to hughes and said:
Why the **** do my heads, that I paid X thousands of dollars for, flow SO much less on three different flow benches? WHY do my heads FLOW no more than a stock ported iron head? WHY should I have paid for this level of work, when it's (however much) under what you say?
I hate to *****, moan, or complain. But I guarantee you by the end of my phone call with hughes. I'd have a free set of heads in my hand and probably a free set of rockers. They will only allow this sort of thing to happen as long as we LET THEM. And Mike. This is no dig at you, I'm saying you've done anything wrong, or that you've handled this situation wrong, so don't take it that way. I'm just a guy who's been involved in engines and cars since forever. I've worked with race cars, drag cars, sprint cars. So I'm know what it takes to get a builders attention. I've been in the pits next to a guy who's engine doesn't run. Or he has whatever problem. And he's pissed because he can't win the feature that night. Or he can't even RACE. When all he wants to do is get out there and make laps. So I KNOW that frustration. I've been the guy throwing my hat in the dirt going "WELL WHAT THE ****" because of whatever stupid thing.
And at the end of the day. The only people who CAN hold those people accountable. Are us. The customer. The consumer. Only when we put the suppliers feet to the fire. Will we see change. Yes it's nice and easy to go through life saying "Well what I got from them wasn't enough so next time I'll go somewhere else". But we need to push them for more. If Hughes saw this thread. And KNEW that say a half dozen or dozen customer's were no longer considering buying their head's because of it. How quick do you think things would change?
And yes. I come from a "fix it till it works" world as well. But whatever happened to "Make the supplier fix it till it works"?
At the end of all this rambling though. I do HONESTLY appreciate the work you do J.Rob. Along with all the other builders on here. Every dollar you spend to give me more info is greatly appreciated. I mean that.