Jehovah's Witnesses
LOL.... how did you get trinity out of what I wrote??? I have one God, and his name is JESUS! Inseparatible! I have One that reigns in heaven and earth, and his name is Jesus, and he is God! One... Jesus... One.... Jesus.... and you read trinity in my post how???? :)
It is YOU, my friend, that believes in multiples. Lets count: You have God (that's one). You have Jesus is ruling and reigning in heaven (that's two). Shall we keep counting???
Been here, done that, with JW's in person at my front door. I proved to them it is they that have multiple people ruling with powers in heaven. And they've left without a word to say. No, I'm not bragging at all, just sharing the truth of God's Word :)
Sorry 'bout that, I misunderstood what you were saying. I thought that you were believing in the trinity. My bad for jumping to conclusions.
But, friend, let me show you from whatever Bible you prefer, that Jesus is indeed subject to his father, the Creator. Jesus openly acknowledged that the Father was greater than him, and that he was sent to Earth to do Gods will. They are not one and the same; they are two separate, distinct individuals. I will use the King James Bible as well, if that's what you're familiar with and more comfortable with.
Food for thought (copied from jw.org):
“I and the Father are one,” said Jesus. (
John 10:30)
Let us take a look at the context. In
verse 25, Jesus stated that he did works
in the name of his Father. From
verses 27 to 29, he talked about symbolic sheep whom
his Father had given him. Both statements by Jesus would have made little sense to his listeners if he and his Father were one and the same person. Instead, Jesus said, in effect, ‘My Father and I are so close-knit that no one can take away the sheep from me, just as no one can take them away from my Father.’ It is much like a son saying to his father’s enemy, ‘If you attack my father, you attack me.’ No one would conclude that this son and his father were the same person. But all could perceive the strong bond of unity between them.
*Note, in regards to the scriptures cited above, here are the same verses from the KJV:
John 10:25-29King James Version (KJV)
25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
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Jesus and his Father, Jehovah God, are also “one” in the sense that they are in complete agreement as to intentions, standards, and values. In contrast with Satan the Devil and the first human couple, Adam and Eve, Jesus never wanted to become independent of God. “The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing,” Jesus explained. “For whatever things that One does, these things the Son also does in like manner.”—
John 5:19; 14:10; 17:8.
Again, the cited scriptures above, from the King James Bible:
John 5:19King James Version (KJV)
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
John 14:10King James Version (KJV)
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
John 17:8King James Version (KJV)
8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
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This strong bond of unity, however, does not make God and his Son, Jesus, indistinguishable from each other. They are two individuals. Each one has his own distinct personality. Jesus has his own feelings, thoughts, experiences, and free will. Nevertheless, he chose to submit his will to that of his Father. According to
Luke 22:42, Jesus said: “Let, not my will, but yours take place.” These words would have been meaningless if his will could not differ from his Father’s. If Jesus and his Father were really one person, why did Jesus pray to God and humbly admit to not knowing things that only his Father knew?—
Matthew 24:36.
KJV of the scriptures above:
Luke 22:42King James Version (KJV)
42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
Matthew 24:36King James Version (KJV)
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
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Members of many religions worship gods that are depicted as quarreling and fighting with their own family members. In Greek mythology, for example, Cronus overthrew his father, Uranus, and devoured his own children. How different this is from the oneness based on true love between Jehovah God and his Son, Jesus! And how this unity endears them to us! In fact, we have the incomparable privilege of being in union with these two highest Persons in all the universe. Regarding his followers, Jesus prayed: “I make request . . . that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us.”—
John 17:20, 21.
Thus, when Jesus said, “I and the Father are one,” he was speaking about the closest bond possible between two persons.
Again, KJV:
John 17:21King James Version (KJV)
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
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So is Jesus Almighty God? Nothing in the scriptures indicate that.
Jesus’ opposers accused him of making himself equal to God. (
John 5:18; 10:30-33) However, Jesus never claimed to be on the same level as Almighty God. He said: “The Father is greater than I am.”—
John 14:28.
Jesus’ early followers did not view him as being equal to Almighty God. For example, the apostle Paul wrote that after Jesus was resurrected, God “exalted him [Jesus] to a superior position.” Obviously, Paul did not believe that Jesus was Almighty God. Otherwise, how could God exalt Jesus to a superior position? —
Philippians 2:9.
KJV:
John 14:28King James Version (KJV)
28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
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