Jehovah's Witnesses

I get the real issue bighammer has.

He is fretting over the trinity and how you make it work.

You can't make the trinity work because it PAGAN, apwas used thought time as a pagan tool whether father, mother, child or father, son and Holy Spirit.

The short of it is the KJV does NOT prove a trinity. It disproves a trinity.

In our discussion, trinity is defined as three, co-equal, co-eternal beings in the Godhead. It is IMPOSSIBLE to have three anything in the Godhead if you can do simple math. Let's all count together.

God the Father is a Spirit.
Jesus Christ WAS a Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is a Spirit.

At the incarnation Christ gave up His ability to be in all places at once (Omnipresence) and now what happens to HIS Spirit, because the Spirt is Devine and you can't kill Divinity?

Now, you have 4 beings in the so called Trinity. It never works out. Sadly, like Protestants the world over, have given was to pagan/Catholic doctrines since before the close of the Reformation. Most Protestants were anti-Trinitarian. But, just like the dog returning to his own vomit, the Reformation churches sold out their birthright for a mess of pottage. By the 1950's most churches had sold out on Christmas, Easter, the Trinity and a host of other pagan doctrines co-opted by church leaders. Literally, the blind leading the blind.

So how do we square 1 John 5:7 with an anti-trinitarian dogma? It's easy if we know the God of the OT is the SAME God in the NT. Christ said it with his own words in Luke 24:25-27. Then John 1:1 makes sense in the KJV and makes all other rendering senseless. So how does it fit?

God the Father is a Spirit.
Christ is a spirit BEFORE the incarnation.
Christ was given a body (see Hebrews 10:5-10 and and compare Psalm 40:6) at His incarnation yet His Spirit was still there.

That's how you get three in the Godhead but it can't be a trinity, because Christ didn't have a body until 3 B.C.
Some put a body on Christ for eternity but that doesn't add up. It kills the incarnation and how did God become flesh if he already had flesh?
The Bible is entirely logical and sequential. It has to make sense and it has to fit or it isn't correct. When you read Genesis, you find it was Christ who formed Adam, who created Eve from Adam. It was Christ who was in the burning bush, who was the pillar of fire and cloud. And I could give more examples.

If you don't know the Christ of the OT you will never know the Christ of the NT.

BTW, it was Christ represented by the ram in the story of Abraham and Issac. And it was Christ who stopped the hand of Abraham. I could go on but it becomes redundant. I hear many people who claim the God of the OT was nasty, mean, vindictive and the God of the NT is loving, caring and forgiving. The OT covers a history of about 4000 years and the NT covers just barely 100 years. The God of the OT is the same God as the God of the NT. It was and is Christ.