Hey George, Indeed there are products out there, I guess I use what has worked for me. The old wax and grease remover gave more of a sheen than the new low VOC. Thank you for your opinion. Some say that well water does not work so well as it has too many minerals in it. Maybe distilled water, but i never had trouble since I wipe it with W and G remover before the next coat to be sure the surface is clean. Thanks for the input. Best. Old Dart 66.