yea I know that but the guy I work with can do it with with a bondo spreader, and no soap he does big emblems. sorry but we do all the county cop cars and you know all the **** they put on them he is good and It pisses me off. If you ever get put in the back seat of a Towner co. cop car in N.D. I'm the one that puts all the **** to keep you from getting out of the back seat, the handcuff key is under the seat and the cresent wrench next to the key... good luck