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So, if things in the past had an alternate timeline...

would a factory 1975 440 6-pack A body have an aluminum intake, or an iron one?

Some might say Chrysler had their own intakes being made (iron) by then....

Some might say that if the muscle car era had not died by that point, that the competition would've driven them to aluminum....

Your thoughts?
 
I would think aluminum. They were lightening up the cars by then with aluminum parts. A feather duster or dart lite with a six pak/six barrel? Awesome! Maybe even better package with the E58.
 
408 swinger said:
I would think aluminum. They were lightening up the cars by then with aluminum parts. A feather duster or dart lite with a six pak/six barrel? Awesome! Maybe even better package with the E58.
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Agreed would be cool.

But in the alternate timeline did the fuel crisis which ultimately helped kill muscle cars still happen? That is, after all, what birthed the dart lite and feather duster.
 
All the factory small block sixpack intakes are aluminum & so are the reproductions.
 
I think that a better package would have been a 360 six pack with W2 heads and a 4 speed non o/d trans on a '76 Dart Lite.
It would have been an awesome package right out of the box.......
However, back in those days emissions and gas mileage were the big issues that factories and buyers were worried about.
A 440 six pack in an A-Body would have been a pipe dream at that point, but if they did it, it would definitely have an aluminum intake like the '69 1/2 440 six pack A12 Super Bees.
Have you ever tried to lift a factory cast iron 440 six pack intake from '70 and '71?
I bet they weigh 100 lbs with carbs etc. ready to go.
Add to that the already heavier 440 by about 100 lbs to say 200 lbs over a 360.
That puts you in 426 Hemi territory........
Now if it was a factory race car like the '68 Hemi Darts and Barracudas, all bets are off!
 
I dig this idea.

My inner nerd, (the largest part of my inside, lol) loves the idea of doing a numbers matching style restoration on a car that was never built.

It's on my "to do" list. Lol
 
This has my brain working. Lol.

1970 AAR Duster with a 340 6 pack

1970 Duster or Demon with a 440-6

1970 Duster or Demon set up like a Hemi Dart/Barracuda super stock.
 
Dartnut said:
Have you ever tried to lift a factory cast iron 440 six pack intake from '70 and '71?
I bet they weigh 100 lbs with carbs etc. ready to go.
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Your experience with this didn't happen to occur in the middle of the night, did it? :-D

prorac1 said:
I dig this idea.

My inner nerd, (the largest part of my inside, lol) loves the idea of doing a numbers matching style restoration on a car that was never built.

It's on my "to do" list. Lol
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Why do you think I'm asking? ;-)

I'll die before I ever get it done, and probably before it's ever started, but it's on the list.

I'm still wondering if the factory big block six pack air cleaner would fit under a stock '75 valiant/duster hood.
 
jos51700 said:
Your experience with this didn't happen to occur in the middle of the night, did it? :-D



Why do you think I'm asking? ;-)

I'll die before I ever get it done, and probably before it's ever started, but it's on the list.

I'm still wondering if the factory big block six pack air cleaner would fit under a stock '75 valiant/duster hood.
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I highly doubt that the 440 six pack intake would fit under a stock '75 Duster/Valiant hood.
And as for your question to me, i didn't run a midnight auto supply store!
Actually, my brother bought a '70 Challenger R/T in '78 that was a factory 440 six pack car, and boy was that intake heavy!
 
Good info..

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By 75, insurance co, emissions, gas crunch? ,and high performance cars were not in vogue pretty much. The 69 1/2 M code B bodies had aluminum intakes, and supposedly, Mopar was having trouble getting what they need, so they cast their own in cast iron in 70 if I remember how the stories go. Yes cast iron one were very heavy.
I have had quite a few 440-6 original cars decades ago. Cool eye candy, but a good 4 bbl will run right with it or better. Easier to tune. Sorta like the hemi, a good 440 will keep up or better if the hemi is not tuned well. Just the nature of dual carb anything.
I had a number of AAR and TA's back in late 80 early 70's, A great handling package, but even better in an A body IMHO... lighter, yes even better made car. E bodies were not very light.
 
408 swinger said:
I would think aluminum. They were lightening up the cars by then with aluminum parts. A feather duster or dart lite with a six pak/six barrel? Awesome! Maybe even better package with the E58.
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You say it like it was a stock engine to the car. LMAO!!! E58 was a 360-4bbl. Correct?
Alaskan_TA said:
All the factory small block sixpack intakes are aluminum & so are the reproductions.
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He is talking about a RB engine.
prorac1 said:
I dig this idea.

My inner nerd, (the largest part of my inside, lol) loves the idea of doing a numbers matching style restoration on a car that was never built.

It's on my "to do" list. Lol
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Sounds great! Like, a what if car.
Dartnut said:
I highly doubt that the 440 six pack intake would fit under a stock '75 Duster/Valiant hood.
And as for your question to me, i didn't run a midnight auto supply store!
Actually, my brother bought a '70 Challenger R/T in '78 that was a factory 440 six pack car, and boy was that intake heavy!
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Hell yea! E bodies could get heavy!
jos51700 said:
So, if things in the past had an alternate timeline...

would a factory 1975 440 6-pack A body have an aluminum intake, or an iron one?
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If they actually made one in those years you mean! It would have been aluminum.
Some might say Chrysler had their own intakes being made (iron) by then....

Some might say that if the muscle car era had not died by that point, that the competition would've driven them to aluminum....

Your thoughts?
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The intakes were iron first and the. Aluminum. IIRC/LMAO!!!!
 
Didn't the A12 cars come with the aluminum intake? I remember seeing 70 and 71 B/E bodies with cast iron intakes but I thought the original 69 6 pak lift off hood B body cars came with aluminum....
 
The intakes were iron first and the. Aluminum. IIRC/LMAO!!!!
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For the 440s, Edelbrock made them out of aluminum for the 1969 Road Runners & Super Bees.

Chrysler did start making their own out of iron for the 1970 model year, but the left over aluminum intakes were used up on early 1970 model year cars also.

Note item 1. in the 1969 PIB about the 1969 440-6 cars on the page at the link below.

The 1970 Hamtramck Registry - 1969 Dodge PIBs
 
Try your best to type your reply outside the quote tags.
:lol:
That engine E58 was still a pretty low compression engine. FWIW, but you probably knew that.
I still like the idea. And so much as I’m currently building a 360-6 pack.
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But back to the big block topic at hand!
 
I'm not much of a purist, I'll take improving a Mopar as a common thread, but I like for my cars to look stock. The concept of a hood scoop on a six pack a body kills me. Any other alternatives?

I'd think milling the intake carburetor flanges would screw up everything. Has anybody here built a six pack big block a body?
 
I have seen a couple 4 barrel 440 Dusters. I don't think a six barrel would fit, at least with air cleaner anyway. It's tight under there.
 
Hypothetical challenge to the hypothetical 6-Pack.

I think it'd fit. Here are some options for my 318-392WEDGE project. Granted it's destined for Dual Quad Fury (on a Barracuda) instead of 6-pack fame.
Didn't Furys have the cross ram with 2x4bbl? Like how I sneaked that in there? ;)

Hood, Barracuda 1967-1968, six pack, bolt on | AAR Quality Fiberglass Reproductions
or
Hood, Barracuda 1969, stock, bolt on | AAR Quality Fiberglass Reproductions
plus
Scoop, Barracuda/Dart, 1968, Hemi | AAR Quality Fiberglass Reproductions

The hemi hood scoop would make it easier to see your setup than the 6-Pack hood scoop.
 
I would also have to wonder what a max wedge scoop or low hemi scoop like used on early B bodies would look like and work. Wold the loer style scoop clear carbs and not look more pleasing to the eye????? Just wondering. ARE we not talking about a 75 duster the OP has???? I forget.
 
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