Well said Fred. Spare the rod and spoil the child is the old saying. Our kids knew better than to act up and we could take them anywhere. If they started getting out of hand I only needed to stare at them and they straightened up. Our kids weren't abused in any way shape or form but they were well behaved. We are all very close and it has rubbed off on their kids as well. Maybe more should try it with their kids. Not a lot of respect out there for parents and seniors today or is it just me.