Daughter does not have a car, so we usually go pick her up for a long weekend. Or sometimes she can catch a ride at least partway with friends. But, now she is shift manager at work and cant get off of work or even out early. Son doesn't want to drive 4 hours unless they can spend a couple days here. (although we went out in the afternoon before Thanksgiving and drove home after dinner next day). Hopefully we can coordinate a weekend with all together in near future.