Ok, Dartfreak (LOL), I cut to the meat. Like the media, they give you paragraphs of garbage hoping you don't read the whole article. Truth lies at the bottom. You'll see he disagreed with me quoting his 13.7, then, in the midst of a novel admits it's what he ran. We learned nothing about me, however, we learned Jaw Par learned how hard it is to run in a real street car..... street tires, full interior, blah blah blah. He has no appreciation that I got a stock 360, with stock manifolds, and stock tranny/converter, with 2.45 open gears on street tires in a full weight Duster to go 13.9's, consistently.