Steve....it's over and up. whichever one that is...lol. I'm 61 years old, and it's the only new vehicle I've ever owned. I had to put a water pump on it last year, but other than that not one minutes trouble. 114K miles. We don't have the 5th wheel anymore, and the heaviest thing I pull is my open car trailer with whatever will fit on it. I take good care of it, and change the oil and filter every 5000 miles, with a new fuel and air filter every other oil change. Never had the death wobble, thank goodness!