I will agree with Dave on one thing through all this. That is that we should speak to each other with some level of respect. There's really no need for all the nastiness and hatred. For instance, when I call jpar stupid, he knows I don't mean it and I am just messin. I mean deadgum, that guy is textbook hot rodder. How can anybody not like him. Stuff like that is cool camaraderie. But cursing at each other and meaning it.......we're better than that. Any idiot can talk like that. Even in the political forum where the "gloves are off" so to speak, we're still the same people, right? I keep saying this over and over but it's true. When Tim (ABodyBomber) passed away, it really got me to thinking. What if mine or your last word to someone was something in hate? Gregg Allman (RIP) took that to his grave since 1971, because he and his brother Duane had gotten into a fight........over drugs of all things and the last things they said to each were in hate, Duane jumped on his bike and was killed less than five miles from where he left Gregg. What a horrible thing to carry with you all your life. Just something to think about.