When I was young, my aunt Maggie always made mince meat pie, with real meat!! It was horrible, but no one told her, did not want to upset her. Well, fast forward 20 years, at fathers for thanksgiving, been in California, his house was in Indiana. Any way, I said, "you going to make some of that delicious mince meat pie?" The room got silent, Maggie said " I stopped making that years ago, I thought no one liked it!". " I will make a nice big one just for you!" And I ate it. well, me and the Dog! Dad and everyone laughed there asses off!!!