Stop in for a cup of coffee

Rainy Day Auto said
that is beside the point, the point is that some welders are neat and some are not.

even tig welding can come out looking like poopoo in the person doesn't know what they are doing

I can lay some of the nicest beads... And then turn around and chicken-poop the hell out of the next one!

I believe that's why grinders were invented!