see??? no help ! I know that I could unbolt a 150 lbs..… LOL. You been a naysayer from the beginning. But none the less, here I am at 1.8's and lower 13's. Yes, it took thought to get it here. I know the easy ways, like pick up a phone and order. But any J par can do that. LOL... Never mind, i'll visit my think tank :)