well, I'm not going to turn this into you vs me. 12's is nothing, I was doing that 25 years ago with a two dime budget. We were talking about my predictions and expectations. I have a lot of cars and you have 1. Truth is, I was done with headers, and rough idle cams, and steep gears with high stall converters. I was doing that jig years before you and I even knew FABO existed. We are both doing it the way we like. This thread is about what we can get this truck to do.