BEWARE OF ESPO SPRINGS

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1st post says 383,what diameter torsion bar,were they adjusted with full weight of car on them. Sorry for the questions just trying to figure things out.
car was on an alignment rack , yes full weight , im not sure of the torsion dia. they are stock bars
 
You said 383, now 273? Any mods to front wheel wells? Looks high.....and I know high.
Like i said if its got a 383 in it with stock 273 torsion bars. If they were adjusted with full weight on the front end they me settle higher after driving around after adjustment.
 
You said 383, now 273? Any mods to front wheel wells? Looks high.....and I know high.
stock fenders , no mods , again bars are adjusted to the fact spec and just like you I know high and also low , like this car is sitting in the back
 
lay a new one (+2) next to one of your old ones and measure the difference. I ordered ESPO "stock height' and took off a ESPO +1. Before I installed the stock height springs I placed one of each upside down side by side and guess what? almost exactly 1" difference at the top of the arch.

good luck, hope you get it worked out.
 
lay a new one (+2) next to one of your old ones and measure the difference. I ordered ESPO "stock height' and took off a ESPO +1. Before I installed the stock height springs I placed one of each upside down side by side and guess what? almost exactly 1" difference at the top of the arch.

good luck, hope you get it worked out.
I already sent the springs back and told them to keep them , I also told them I wanted no refund . like I said earlier two different spring companys were totally aware of what I was telling them and without mentioning they knew whos springs I was dealing with
 
My point was if theres BB tbars in it with a sb installed, wouldnt that cause the front end to be higher?
OP should have offered the espos up here instead of giving them back to Espo lol.
Like i said if its got a 383 in it with stock 273 torsion bars. If they were adjusted with full weight on the front end they me settle higher after driving around after adjustment.
 
My point was if theres BB tbars in it with a sb installed, wouldnt that cause the front end to be higher?
OP should have offered the espos up here instead of giving them back to Espo lol.

Somebody would have snatched them up had he put that picture in his first post, because everybody would have known the springs were right. His front end is wrong! They wouldda sold in 15 minutes!
 
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Here is mine with stock rear springs and the QA1 front

you do the math!
 
My opinion is your car would look perfect if the front was lowered 2” and you had a 27” or 28” tire on the back. 26” tire’s on the back is small IMO. My 275/60/15’s are 28” I think, 255’s are around 27”, I’m guessing your 26” are what 235 or 245 in the back. I don’t understand setting the front to factory spec if your looking for a certain stance. You have a lot of air gap between the tire and the fender lip in the front, most folks try to eliminate that. You may order different springs and still not be happy, if your going to keep the front that high.
 
Having started with my 70 dart in 1970, I can assure you that the top of the wheel well opening was even with the top of the rims when these cars were new. It looked like **** and it didn't take long for my 18 year old self to install Gabriel Hi-Jackers in 1975! What you show is, however 2 inches over stock. 6 leaf springs were installed stock on 340, 383 and 440 Darts, so if you asked for stock springs arched 2 inches+ for a 273 car, you got what you asked for...

Did you use the technique where you measure the height of both ends of the LCA to set the ride height? Yours looks high to me, but then I like it an inch or two above stock - works OK if you can hit your alignment numbers.
 
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Having started with my 70 dart in 1970, I can assure you that the top of the wheel well opening was even with the top of the rims when these cars were new. It looked like **** and it didn't take long for my 18 year old self to install Gabriel Hi-Jackers in 1975! What you show is, however 2 inches over stock. 6 leaf springs were installed stock on 340, 383 and 440 Darts, so if you asked for stock springs arched 2 inches+ for a 273 car, you got what you asked for...

Did you use the technique where you measure the height of both ends of the LCA to set the ride height? Yours looks high to me, but then I like it an inch or two above stock - works OK if you can hit your alignment numbers.
That is the exact method I used , I have been working in dodge dealer since 1979 and done many of these alignments . Again I appreciate everyone input but this posting was not really for that . I wanted to give you guys a heads up that if you order from ESPO you many not get what you expected and you will get the run around if you if you try to to tell them there spring is wrong . The arch of there spring is lower then the arch of the the stock spring I took off , Laura said she doesn't believe that . So theres no use talking to her anymore . I sent the springs back and told them I wanted no refund . But guys this has nothing to do with the front end , the springs were likely stock height not 2 plus , Laura says other wise and I disagree . But really im over all this and I have a new set coming from another spring company , if there wrong then I have egg on my face, we will see. I will post a pick if there right or wrong . Again thank you all for your comments ( good or bad ) and also your thoughts and ideas on a fix to this whole situation. The Mopar community may not always agree but theres always someone here to help .
 
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