Differences in Formula S Emblems

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Hyper_pak

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This got me from earlier today. I knew there was a difference in the S Side Emblem and a 69 Rear Trim Panel. There was a sale post but I didn't want to post on the sale thread.
But I didn't know there are curved 65 emblems with vertical mount pins and then there is a flatter emblem 66-68? It has horizontal mount pins.
First I have heard about this.
Am I saying this correct? 65 Emblem and then 66-68 side Emblems?
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This got me from earlier today. I knew there was a difference in the S Side Emblem and a 69 Rear Trim Panel. There was a sale post but I didn't want to post on the sale thread.
But I didn't know there are curved 65 emblems with vertical mount pins and then there is a flatter emblem 66-68? It has horizontal mount pins.
First I have heard about this.
Am I saying this correct? 65 Emblem and then 66-68 side Emblems?
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You know i purchased the one from Kern Dog and I'm not sure about the answer but when i receive it I'll see if it's curved because where it mounts on the fender by the Headlight its curved from top to bottom.
As a side note, the barracuda i have, has a passenger side fender replacement and i believe the drivers side original to the car? I looked at a picture of the mounting holes, (it's in storage) and it has a vertical and a horizontal set of holes. Go figure. I know the 65 V8 emblem for the barracuda and valiant are horizontal so i would think that is what I'm looking for. Maybe we can get someone to enlighten us.
 
Thanks Stephen.
I will go through my parts tomorrow and see what I have.
I have some NOS ones, but now I am not sure what I have!
 
This got me from earlier today. I knew there was a difference in the S Side Emblem and a 69 Rear Trim Panel. There was a sale post but I didn't want to post on the sale thread.
But I didn't know there are curved 65 emblems with vertical mount pins and then there is a flatter emblem 66-68? It has horizontal mount pins.
First I have heard about this.
Am I saying this correct? 65 Emblem and then 66-68 side Emblems?
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The one on the left is 1965.. On the right Yes 66 to 68 the same
 
The one on the left is 1965.. On the right Yes 66 to 68 the same
Dave by your info the 2579443 is a 66 and I believe is the one i purchased. The 2579442 is really what i need. When i get it I'll see how it sets on the fender. It may be a resale part. Thanks for your help.
 
'442 is the 65. You can see the bow on my barn find original 65 S. and it could probably be made more to fit the fender lines better.
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'442 is the 65. You can see the bow on my barn find original 65 S. and it could probably be made more to fit the fender lines better.
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Yesterday you called out a parts book stating that the 443 was correct for the 65 but the one tonight is the 442.
Either way the bow you show in your pictures don't seem very much.
I looked up photos of 66 formula S Barracuda and the area is quite flat compared to the 65.
 
ahh, hold on....your absolutely correct, the '443 is (wrong?) in this online '65 parts book http://jholst.net/65-parts-manual/fenders.pdf (printed Sept 1964!) as I took off 2 442s from my never been apart 65...? WTF? Good catch. My pins are both horizontal on a 4-1-65 build date. I hope this at least debunks the "1 'S' badge on a 65" and '442's and 443's were side specific' thoughts. @Stephen Mulkey , did your 66 and 65 pic research show pin orientation? can you share that pic of the 65 that was 'not as flat' as the 66? Pins horizontal or vertical? Now I'm curious......Here is a supporting post on your side.
"Chrysler Parts Catalogs (online?) show:
#2579 442 fender emblem '65 Formula S
#2579 443 fender emblem '66-'68 Formula S
...65 'S' emblems mounting posts were horizontal in placement and 66-68 were vertical. "
Even the 'bowed' 65 '442s dont follow the '65 curved fender 100%. Ill correct that post calling out the 443 part number as bad data.
<<<that thread is locked, I sent you a PM>>>
 
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ahh, hold on....your absolutely correct, the '443 is (wrong?) in this online '65 parts book http://jholst.net/65-parts-manual/fenders.pdf (printed Sept 1964!) as I took off 2 442s from my never been apart 65...? WTF? Good catch. My pins are both horizontal on a 4-1-65 build date. I hope this at least debunks the "1 'S' badge on a 65" and '442's and 443's were side specific' thoughts. @Stephen Mulkey , did your 66 and 65 pic research show pin orientation? can you share that pic of the 65 that was 'not as flat' as the 66? Pins horizontal or vertical? Now I'm curious......Here is a supporting post on your side.
"Chrysler Parts Catalogs (online?) show:
#2579 442 fender emblem '65 Formula S
#2579 443 fender emblem '66-'68 Formula S
...65 'S' emblems mounting posts were horizontal in placement and 66-68 were vertical. "
Even the 'bowed' 65 '442s dont follow the '65 curved fender 100%. Ill correct that post calling out the 443 part number as bad data.
<<<that thread is locked, I sent you a PM>>>
Good morning Pishta,
I would like to first thank you for your offer to buy the badge because of the miss information. I feel you tried to help with what you had, thanks again but I'm going to keep it and check it against the fender that's on the car. As it is, someone must have put a vertical pinned badge on it. The only fender to accept it has both orientation of pin holes in it. Have no idea if it was factory or owner placement but i think the later.
But to answer, my quest to see what's up with the difference between 65 and the 66 + I was only able to see the placement and notice how flat the fender looked, nothing with the pins.
Your pictures of the curve relief on the back is interesting as to how little there is. When i receive the vertical pin badge, I'm going to set it on the fender for giggles and picture how it fits.
Now the saga continues. Have a great day everyone. :)
 
The light bow wont prevent it from mounting on a flat 66 fender for sure, not much to it as you stated, and not as much as needed to follow the rounded 65 fender perfectly. I think my resource could be a typo as the '442 part is not even in the numerical listing in the book printed Sept 1964, yet Im holding 2 of them. Did they make a running change from the flat 443 ("hey, these 443's dont really follow this fender...") to the (barely) rounded 442 after Sept 64, then revert back to original 'flat' 443 after 65? Another Mopar mystery....
@Hyper_pak can you put a straight edge across the backs of both (vertically) and tell us if there is any discernable bow to the horizontal pinned part number?
 
pishta, I don't have any 65 Emblems. Never had one or ever parted one. I just went through my emblems and they are all 2579443.
 
The light bow wont prevent it from mounting on a flat 66 fender for sure, not much to it as you stated, and not as much as needed to follow the rounded 65 fender perfectly. I think my resource could be a typo as the '442 part is not even in the numerical listing in the book printed Sept 1964, yet Im holding 2 of them. Did they make a running change from the flat 443 ("hey, these 443's dont really follow this fender...") to the (barely) rounded 442 after Sept 64, then revert back to original 'flat' 443 after 65? Another Mopar mystery....
@Hyper_pak can you put a straight edge across the backs of both (vertically) and tell us if there is any discernable bow to the horizontal pinned part number?
On your badges did they touch the fender around the outer edge or was it just close to the curve of the fender
 
Those 6's are F'n Bada$$! Where on earth were those used, Argentina?
 
My NOS 2579443's have vertical pins and are flat. That's also the part number in my factory '66 parts manual. The only book I have for the '65 model is a Mitchell Collision Guide which shows the same part number for that year. I do remember seeing the horizontal pins on some emblems though, like the one Pishta posted. Kinda odd that's only one number different when it's a whole year older.
 
With all my reading on these, i believe this is how they are. That is why i had a asked the orientation of the pins on the badge i purchased.
I'm going to look at the fender on this car because the drive side is the only on to have mounting holes, as the passenger side has been replaced because of a collision. The odd part of the mounting holes in the drivers side is a combination of horizontal and vertical holes making a diamond shape. A question that has hit my pea brain is there any way a owner added set or a late production 65 that someone had needed to put the 66+ badges on? The car is less a fender tag so i can't tell date. But i believe it has to be added holes later.
 
I tend to think that you are right, someone added the second set of holes. I wonder how long Chrysler kept stock on the 442? I bought my NOS set at a dealer in 75 and we had a 67 Barracuda at the time so I guess I told them I needed the 67 emblems. But like I said I never knew there was a different part number for the 65's.
 
Those 6's are F'n Bada$$! Where on earth were those used, Argentina?
pishta, I don't remember when or where I got them from. I think it was here at FABO and I do think it was Argentina. They have no markings on the back and they are completely flat.
Hey, I like Formula S and 225s so it seemed to be pretty cool to me as well. Thanks for posting the link to the S thread also.
 
I tend to think that you are right, someone added the second set of holes. I wonder how long Chrysler kept stock on the 442? I bought my NOS set at a dealer in 75 and we had a 67 Barracuda at the time so I guess I told them I needed the 67 emblems. But like I said I never knew there was a different part number for the 65's.

So many little details for this old fat dog to learn.
But it keeps my two brain cells moving, thats good thing. Thank to all ;)
 
Dave by your info the 2579443 is a 66 and I believe is the one i purchased. The 2579442 is really what i need. When i get it I'll see how it sets on the fender. It may be a resale part. Thanks for your help.
Let me know. Because I do not need mine anymore, I sold the car years ago. These are harder to find.
 
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