Pump Gas

What do you consider pump gas?

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318willrun said:
LOL.. If your engine lives on the edge with 93 and 91 detonates it, then you need race gas mix though you survive on 93. I'll say it again, pump gas means you can pull into Casey's, Walmart, BP, Phillip 66, Kwik Star, grab whatever the best they have and fill er up and head on out on your merry way.
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Exactly. Some get it. Some don't.
 
318willrun said:
LOL.. If your engine lives on the edge with 93 and 91 detonates it, then you need race gas mix though you survive on 93. I'll say it again, pump gas means you can pull into Casey's, Walmart, BP, Phillip 66, Kwik Star, grab whatever the best they have and fill er up and head on out on your merry way.
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Completely disagree on the first point. If it's happy on 93, there's no reason for a race mix.
 
RammerJammer75 said:
I'm going to say it again, pump gas can be any gas that comes from a pump, literally the definition.

Completely disagree on the first point. If it's happy on 93, there's no reason for a race mix.
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ok :rolleyes:
Old gunsmoke quote "ain't nobody on your side, marshal"
Don't think I'll waste time playing English language games. LOL
 
So I have another question for you guys, do you really think these guys running 1,000+ hp cars are running straight 91/93 pump gas? This is why I have a problem with the pump gas terminology.
 
RammerJammer75 said:
So I have another question for you guys, do you really think these guys running 1,000+ hp cars are running straight 91/93 pump gas? This is why I have a problem with the pump gas terminology.
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Saying a car "runs on pump gas" is a universal language in the car world. Everyone in the car world knows it means you can pull up to a gas station and fill it up with no problems, even if the highest rating is 91. If you sold me your car and said she runs on pump gas, so I buy it and head for home and later down the road fill it up with 91 and she's a ping'n and throwing a fit, then I call you and you say "110 octane that comes from a pump" - I'm now calling you a deceiver and I'm now wondering about every other aspect of the car you "deceived" me about. In other words, you just lost your credibility...... Don't ease your conscious with a hot iron. LOL.. If it needs racing fuel, say it! Whether it comes from a pump or a can LOL
 
318willrun said:
Saying a car "runs on pump gas" is a universal language in the car world. Everyone in the car world knows it means you can pull up to a gas station and fill it up with no problems, even if the highest rating is 91. If you sold me your car and said she runs on pump gas, so I buy it and head for home and later down the road fill it up with 91 and she's a ping'n, then I call you and you say "110 octane that comes from a pump" - I'm now calling you a deceiver and I'm now wondering about every other aspect of the car you "deceived" me about. In other words, you just lost your credibility...... Don't ease your conscious with a hot iron. LOL.. If it needs racing fuel, say it! Whether it comes from a pump or a can LOL
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That's my point! I don't see anyway that a supposed 1500 hp turbo car can survive on 93. I apologize for sounding argumentative, but this is where I draw from. I have to wonder if their "pump gas" is something like 100 Octane pump or e85, and is exactly why I like to see the qualifier to show what the fuel really is. If it really is 93 (or whatever your premium is) that's downright impressive. If not, hell that's ok too. This is why I don't really like grudge racing either lol
 
RammerJammer75 said:
That's my point! I don't see anyway that a supposed 1500 hp turbo car can survive on 93. I apologize for sounding argumentative, but this is where I draw from. I have to wonder if their "pump gas" is something like 100 Octane pump or e85, and is exactly why I like to see the qualifier to show what the fuel really is. If it really is 93 (or whatever your premium is) that's downright impressive. If not, hell that's ok too. This is why I don't really like grudge racing either lol
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your thread is (was) about pump gas. Now it's about what others claim. LOL. Saying in the car world it has a cam in it leads one to believe it's a performance cam. But it could be stock, it still has a cam in it. Saying it has a cam in it or it runs on pump gas has a general car knowledge behind it we all understand.
 
33IMP said:
To me, a "pump gas" claim means it will run on premium available at any corner gas station, not what comes out of a pump. In cali that means 91 octane (at best) with 10% alcohol. Pump gas e85 to me is not pump gas, because at best, one in a hundred stations have e85 pumps here, and even fewer pump 100 octane unleaded.
My cars can run on the crap premium here, but i now have access to 100LL avgas, so i run a little sweetener, cause i can.
I tend to disbelieve anybody that claims their power-adder car runs on pump gas.
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My daily driven “power adder” truck makes a shitload of power on California’s junk 91e10. Why do you tend to disagree with anybody that claims that?
 
TT5.9mag said:
My daily driven “power adder” truck makes a shitload of power on California’s junk 91e10. Why do you tend to disagree with anybody that claims that?
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He may have been referring to NOS. I ran turbo cars on pump gas all the time, 15 psi.
 
318willrun said:
your thread is (was) about pump gas. Now it's about what others claim. LOL. Saying in the car world it has a cam in it leads one to believe it's a performance cam. But it could be stock, it still has a cam in it. Saying it has a cam in it or it runs on pump gas has a general car knowledge behind it we all understand.
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I can derail a thread with the best of them. Anyway, the point was to see what people consider to be pump gas to compare what I've heard/seen. I agree, generally across the board it is 87, 89, or 91-93, but it has always made me wonder if these high horsepower cars really run on common pump gasses.
 
RammerJammer75 said:
I can derail a thread with the best of them. Anyway, the point was to see what people consider to be pump gas to compare what I've heard/seen. I agree, generally across the board it is 87, 89, or 91-93, but it has always made me wonder if these high horsepower cars really run on common pump gasses.
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Many cars can run on pump gas with plenty of boost and make big HP. Some of the guys I've known would run like 12-18 psi on pump gas and 24-30 psi on race fuel. Many are FI and with a flip of a controller they can go from street mode to race mode. Was a big thing 20 years ago with the Grand National crowd.
 
RammerJammer75 said:
I can derail a thread with the best of them. Anyway, the point was to see what people consider to be pump gas to compare what I've heard/seen. I agree, generally across the board it is 87, 89, or 91-93, but it has always made me wonder if these high horsepower cars really run on common pump gasses.
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Computer controlled efi is the game changer. When you can pull 4,5,6 degrees off timing at peak torque and ramp in back in once the engine is past a dangerous detonation window then you can still safely make the power. And you have knock sensors to cover your bad tuning mistakes that used to end up in piles of piston parts. Could you make more with more octane? Sure but then it would t be pump gas anymore.
 
TT5.9mag said:
My daily driven “power adder” truck makes a shitload of power on California’s junk 91e10. Why do you tend to disagree with anybody that claims that?
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Because my idea of a power adder car has a power adder for dragstrip/street racing performance. Most, if not all of those will have LOTS more performance on good gas, or e85, than they will on pump swill.
I consider a pump gas claim to be just another street racing lie/con job, or a drag racer bragging, USUALLY falsely, about making big power on junk gas.
Do you really think a guy with a turbo LS street racer is gonna run at 8 lbs of boost, 700hp, when he can put good gas in it, crank the boost to 15 or 20 lbs, and make 1200?
 
mopardude318 said:
What fuel additive would you recommend?
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There are only two I know of that are chelated and one is made by Torco. I can’t think of the other one but the word was it was Torco under a private label.

There is no way I can prove that, and when I called Torco about it there was much equivocating and verbal tap dancing and no answer.

I’m not sure if the patents are up on Torco or not either.

There could be other companies out there doing it, but there are only two I know of that do it.

BTW, chelation does something I can half way explain, but I have no idea how it does it. I know it works because I’ve tested it.

Chelation does something to the additive that allows the additive to literally (could be figuratively but I think it’s literal) take all the detergents and junk and grabs onto them and somehow, through the magic and voodoo of chemistry it makes that junk burn-able.

I started using this stuff on my dirt bikes and any bike I tuned I had them use it. If the tune up is correct with straight pump gas, you can add Torco to it (for that I used 1 ounce/gallon and that’s all it took) and it would clean up the pipe.

What it won’t do is eliminate the spooooooooge from a bad tuneup. But it will take a black pipe and turn it a nice purdy brown.

On pump gas 4T stuff it will do the same, because pump gas will color the piston tops an exhaust ports differently than race gas but it will change the color of both.

So not only will it raise the octane, it cleans up the burn, which in turns help make power.
 
33IMP said:
Because my idea of a power adder car has a power adder for dragstrip/street racing performance. Most, if not all of those will have LOTS more performance on good gas, or e85, than they will on pump swill.
I consider a pump gas claim to be just another street racing lie/con job, or a drag racer bragging, USUALLY falsely, about making big power on junk gas.
Do you really think a guy with a turbo LS street racer is gonna run at 8 lbs of boost, 700hp, when he can put good gas in it, crank the boost to 15 or 20 lbs, and make 1200?
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Yea I do think that. Because they do. And I do the same damn thing. My falcon runs all day on junk gas with boost and it has a flex fuel sensor so I can run any combination of ethanal to pump gas mix and it blends the tune on the fly. It’s a new world of hot rods. The old locked out distributor and Holley 750 ain’t gettin it done anymore.
 
TT5.9mag said:
Yea I do think that. Because they do. And I do the same damn thing. My falcon runs all day on junk gas with boost and it has a flex fuel sensor so I can run any combination of ethanal to pump gas mix and it blends the tune on the fly. It’s a new world of hot rods. The old locked out distributor and Holley 750 ain’t gettin it done anymore.
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Let me re-phrase. Do you think he will RACE on 700hp, when he can have 1200 by using good gas? I dont.
 
TT5.9mag said:
Computer controlled efi is the game changer. When you can pull 4,5,6 degrees off timing at peak torque and ramp in back in once the engine is past a dangerous detonation window then you can still safely make the power. And you have knock sensors to cover your bad tuning mistakes that used to end up in piles of piston parts. Could you make more with more octane? Sure but then it would t be pump gas anymore.
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I agree with you there, but where is the point where you're sacrificing power just to retain the pump gas title?
 
318willrun said:
Many cars can run on pump gas with plenty of boost and make big HP. Some of the guys I've known would run like 12-18 psi on pump gas and 24-30 psi on race fuel. Many are FI and with a flip of a controller they can go from street mode to race mode. Was a big thing 20 years ago with the Grand National crowd.
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Yes by adding fuel and removing timing. It is impressive, but how many of them make 1000, 1200 or more on 93? That would be a tuning feat I would imagine.
 
RammerJammer75 said:
Yes by adding fuel and removing timing. It is impressive, but how many of them make 1000, 1200 or more on 93? That would be a tuning feat I would imagine.
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But the point remains the same..... Kind of like saying "I got a street car that runs mid 10's". But do they race it in street form?? Many swap out gears, add slicks, uncork the headers, add timing and run race fuel and run 10.65. With street tires, street gears, exhaust connected, and pump gas they run 11.6's. For me, I'm stone-cold honest. IF I say I run XX.XX in a street car on pump gas, it means i can drive it to the strip an hour, race it exactly how I drove it, and return home. Oh, and get gas anyplace I feel, too... LOL.
 
33IMP said:
Let me re-phrase. Do you think he will RACE on 700hp, when he can have 1200 by using good gas? I dont.
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No but we’re talking mostly about street car stuff right? 700 is lots of power and even if you make compromises to get there it’s still a lot of fun. And you’ll outrun almost anything you come up against. Ask me how I know.
RammerJammer75 said:
I agree with you there, but where is the point where you're sacrificing power just to retain the pump gas title?
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Everything we do is a sacrifice for power. If it wasn’t every N/A engine out there on the street would be 14:1 and on race fuel. With boost you just have to have some level of responsibility not to crank it up past what’s safe for your engine on the available octane. My big block could make lots more power if I ditched the cats, ran 118 octane, did all the things that make it less of a street vehicle. But I wanted to see what was possible on pump gas. So that where I’m at.
 
TT5.9mag said:
No but we’re talking mostly about street car stuff right? 700 is lots of power and even if you make compromises to get there it’s still a lot of fun. And you’ll outrun almost anything you come up against. Ask me how I know.

Everything we do is a sacrifice for power. If it wasn’t every N/A engine out there on the street would be 14:1 and on race fuel. With boost you just have to have some level of responsibility not to crank it up past what’s safe for your engine on the available octane. My big block could make lots more power if I ditched the cats, ran 118 octane, did all the things that make it less of a street vehicle. But I wanted to see what was possible on pump gas. So that where I’m at.
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what does the falcon run in the 1/4 mile? and your BB?
 
TT5.9mag said:
No but we’re talking mostly about street car stuff right? 700 is lots of power and even if you make compromises to get there it’s still a lot of fun. And you’ll outrun almost anything you come up against. Ask me how I know.

Everything we do is a sacrifice for power. If it wasn’t every N/A engine out there on the street would be 14:1 and on race fuel. With a boost you just have to have some level of responsibility not to crank it up past what’s safe for your engine on the available octane. My big block could make lots more power if I ditched the cats, ran 118 octane, did all the things that make it less of a street vehicle. But I wanted to see what was possible on pump gas. So that where I’m at.
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I agree, an N/A engine will be way more radical than one on boost, that has always interested me too. But I love both for what they are.
 
318willrun said:
what does the falcon run in the 1/4 mile? and your BB?
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Neither one is a drag car. Falcon is currently getting a 4 link and complete TCI coil over front end. It’s a road race style street car. The big block is in my Silverado 3500 quad cab. Neither has been to drag strip.
 
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