So what happened, New hires had no retirement at all, going forward. The union wanted these employees to have SOME kind of retirement because there were more of these then us, And they wanted the new employees to pay the union dues, we were not paying anymore when we left company. So The union agreed to throw the older people under the bus, and just give us a shitty payout. 25 years with ATT. NO retirement!!!! Who would have thought that!!!:BangHead::BangHead: