M1 Sb intake. Best for small blocks?

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I had someone tell me that the M1 dual plane intake was about the best performer on a small block Chrysler. What's y'alls thoughts? They dont make this intake anymore from what I understand, and they are pretty pricey used.
Thanks guys!
 
replica of 1968 340 intake works amazing!!!

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Best intake for small block? Best for what a solid lifter cam running a 456 rear end? A stock 340 with 323 rear end? There is no best. intakes are just one part of the system, it's a good intake for a mild performance build.
 
Best intake for small block? Best for what a solid lifter cam running a 456 rear end? A stock 340 with 323 rear end? There is no best. intakes are just one part of the system, it's a good intake for a mild performance build.
I have a mild build 318, 3.23 gears. But im moving to 3.55 gears. 302 heads with port work. .454/.475 cam. 1.5 roller lifters.
 
I have a mild build 318, 3.23 gears. But im moving to 3.55 gears. 302 heads with port work. .454/.475 cam. 1.5 roller lifters.
Absolutely nothing wrong with that manifold for your combination should be a pretty good fit in my opinion. Do yourself a favor and Google small block Mopar intake manifold comparison there is an article by hot rod magazine and Mopar guru that will really explain a crap load of good stuff.
 
Also, do you guys know the significance of cutting down the divider in the middle?
I’ll let others opine as to the benefits but if you do cut it down do so in a way that you can install a divider back in it to make it “whole” again. Cutting it out does not automatically mean it is cut out permanently. I cut the divider out of a Weiand Action+ for my setup but and swapped it to my sons more daily driven 360 and put a divider back in.

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I have a mild build 318, 3.23 gears. But im moving to 3.55 gears. 302 heads with port work. .454/.475 cam. 1.5 roller lifters.

doesn’t the 302 head have a small intake port runners or the the larger 340/360 port?

That M1 dual plane stock replica aluminum intake has ports runners the size for 340/360’s.
 
Cutting down the divider wall on a dual plane manifold was designed for upper RPM range it makes manifold act more like a single plane a modification that I would only consider with a high gear ratio large cam setup,also lending itself more towards a four-speed or manual transmission or high stall converter above 3500
 
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doesn’t the 302 head have a small intake port runners or the the larger 340/360 port?

That M1 dual plane stock replica aluminum intake has ports runners the size for 340/360’s.
So the M1 wont really perform well with these heads since the have the smaller ports?
 
doesn’t the 302 head have a small intake port runners or the the larger 340/360 port?

That M1 dual plane stock replica aluminum intake has ports runners the size for 340/360’s.
This is a very good point and something I missed. I am familiar running the large port 340 style heads
 
This is a very good point and something I missed. I am familiar running the large port 340 style heads
The 302 heads I have were gasket matched and ported. I guess my question is, if the edelbrock air gap/M1 dual plane have runners sized to fit the 340/360 heads, what will it do with the 302 heads? Just not perform as well I guess?
 
The 302 heads I have were gasket matched and ported. I guess my question is, if the edelbrock air gap/M1 dual plane have runners sized to fit the 340/360 heads, what will it do with the 302 heads? Just not perform as well I guess?[
I see rumbles on this thread I'll leave it to him this is not my area of experience, I would think you would want to open up your intake port to a 340 gasket match size if it was me.
 
The 302 heads I have were gasket matched and ported. I guess my question is, if the edelbrock air gap/M1 dual plane have runners sized to fit the 340/360 heads, what will it do with the 302 heads? Just not perform as well I guess?

Matched to what gasket? A 318 or 340/360?

yes you could go back and grind them to match a 340/360 gasket.

but spending $400 for a dual plane M1 seems a little silly in this situation.

there was a small port Edelbrock LD4B intake. Look for that used.

read here: Edelbrock LD4B
 
I had someone tell me that the M1 dual plane intake was about the best performer on a small block Chrysler. What's y'alls thoughts? They dont make this intake anymore from what I understand, and they are pretty pricey used.
Thanks guys!
This is accurate for a certain rpm bracket. Since the MP/M1/DP (DP = dual plane) is a copy of the early 340 intake manifold, it will perform like one. The amount of camshaft it will work best with is on the small side. Consider the cam size intended to be a true driver street cam with stock OE gear ratios and for the most part, stock converters though that is a little misleading, but IMO, a reasonable way to look at it. Changing a converter out for more stall cam be done regardless of the intake manifold being used to your benefit if the set up is right.
Also, do you guys know the significance of cutting down the divider in the middle?
YES! This was designed as a “Cheater” move when the rules dictated the use of a dual plane intake only. Removing the dividing wall, as said before, does indeed increase the top end performance of the intake as well as decrease the lower end performance. Originally outlined in the MP engines book for use on the Edelbrock LD-340 intake, the recommended cam usage was “Over .600 lift.”, which is a”Read between the lines” hint. Back in the day, if you had a cam with .600 lift or better, it was a big *** cam! While this mod works with smaller cams, the effect lessens somewhat.
Do not do this mod.
I have a mild build 318, 3.23 gears. But im moving to 3.55 gears. 302 heads with port work. .454/.475 cam. 1.5 roller lifters.
This is the perfect type of build for that intake manifold.
Other dual plane intakes will work well with build.
Edelbrock’s Performer or earlier DP intakes.
Weiand’s Action Plus or Stealth
Factory iron 4bbl.’s.
Someone mentioned the RPM. It will work, but I’m not sure how well with your cam since you left the duration out. At worst, it may (key word -> MAY) lack a small amount of low end for a very short rpm range. I’ve discovered this myself. If you can live with a minor lack of power compared to another intake, the. Go for it.
I thought the Holley Strip dominator was the best intake for a small block.
Total combo dependent.
The 302 heads I have were gasket matched and ported. I guess my question is, if the edelbrock air gap/M1 dual plane have runners sized to fit the 340/360 heads, what will it do with the 302 heads? Just not perform as well I guess?
Total depends on the gasket size the heads were ported to. What gasket was used to gasket match the heads?
If it doesn’t have an opening of the 340/360 head gasket, there is that small problem that everyone likes to make a mountain out of, a mismatch on the ports. The bigger the mismatch the worse the issue will be and since I have been there and done that a few times in the last 30+ years, at your current level of build, ignore it and worry not. If you can correct it, GREAT! If not, don’t sweat it.

What you NEED TO DO is measure the heads port window size and write it down and then measure (or have done for you) the size of the intakes port windows.
Do not be surprised if the intake can be opened up to the gasket size used for the 302 heads gasket matching. Especially aftermarket intake manifold.
 
I see rumbles on this thread I'll leave it to him this is not my area of experience, I would think you would want to open up your intake port to a 340 gasket match size if it was me.
Thank you and I agree.
Matched to what gasket? A 318 or 340/360?

yes you could go back and grind them to match a 340/360 gasket.

but spending $400 for a dual plane M1 seems a little silly in this situation.

there was a small port Edelbrock LD4B intake. Look for that used.

read here: Edelbrock LD4B
I agree and the Edelbrock LD4B is one of those “Other” intakes from Edelbrock that can be listed. I really like that one a lot. Weiand did a copy of it. (Action Plus)

$400 is ridiculous prices IMO. If you yourself NEED to have it, fine, you can do it a lot cheaper with a;

Factory iron
Edelbrock Performer or other Edelbrock
Weiand Action Plus

These intakes sell a lot cheaper and will perform just the same at tour build level.
 
Weiand stealth is also good. Dedicated 318 port size through the manifold. Basically a square bore version of the Action Plus. Probably what I would use for the 302 heads.
 
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