Go to street cam from the 70s-80s.

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Agree with YR on Jones
IMHO Dad Dick Jones developed then brother Rick ran the shop, he's now moved on to "controlled induction" (check it out) now Mike runs the camgrinding shop

Agree on the copy catIR not working as well (although Engle may be Dad's grinds, they were tight- just speculation here)
GM and the Chevy indy project spent huge amounts on R&D

I really question the small base circle with a slight IR (limited by the big grinder wheel)
can't possibly work as well as the real thing

My favorite oldie but goodie cam was the one Isky developed for our "Max Wedge"
for a long time it was the ONLY .904 grind Isky listed- can't remember the number 1012B ?
Later Racer Brown came outwith a similar grind that reved a little better but the Isky was more consistent- we used it to dial in chassis for a long time

On the Hyd side Jones .904 Hyd grind- the bottom one on his Hyd master list is flat out the best for what it does very very short actually on the seat say at .002 yet big at .250-.275 and with a broad not pointy nose,, it closes easily - very asymetrical
 
Wyrmrider said:
Agree with YR on Jones
IMHO Dad Dick Jones developed then brother Rick ran the shop, he's now moved on to "controlled induction" (check it out) now Mike runs the camgrinding shop

Agree on the copy catIR not working as well (although Engle may be Dad's grinds, they were tight- just speculation here)
GM and the Chevy indy project spent huge amounts on R&D

I really question the small base circle with a slight IR (limited by the big grinder wheel)
can't possibly work as well as the real thing

My favorite oldie but goodie cam was the one Isky developed for our "Max Wedge"
for a long time it was the ONLY .904 grind Isky listed- can't remember the number 1012B ?
Later Racer Brown came outwith a similar grind that reved a little better but the Isky was more consistent- we used it to dial in chassis for a long time

On the Hyd side Jones .904 Hyd grind- the bottom one on his Hyd master list is flat out the best for what it does very very short actually on the seat say at .002 yet big at .250-.275 and with a broad not pointy nose,, it closes easily - very asymetrical
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And Isky made that same grind for the small block...the 1012C. One of my all time favorite cams for a street strip deal.

Would be pretty bad assed in a 410 small block with TF heads where the owner wasn't afraid of 6800 RPM or so.
 
lead69 said:
Most of my buddys ran purple shaft cams but I liked this one allot,what a name,"hi-draulic hauler",crower had some great names like "street beast" lol,most of the stuff was on a wide lobe separation except these.
Mopar Hydraulic Flat Tappet Camshaft - Camshafts
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I have always liked that hi-draulic hauler series of cams. Crower actually had the balls to stick some lift on them and got the timing much more to my liking.
 
What’s up with Engle? They still in business? Website is no good. And what of Erson? Wonder if the new entity that owns the Super Shop brand will once again be selling “The Erson Cam”!!
 
I liked the Erson TQ20 Performer in a 70 D200 Camper Special with a transplanted 400 I put in it. Nice and torquey and climbed any grade loaded down, 292adv/214@050. .449 lift slow lobes be damned! It worked
 
Always had good luck with the Crane .467/.494 cam, but that was late 80s early 90s
 
gliderider06 said:
Always had good luck with the Crane .467/.494 cam, but that was late 80s early 90s
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Someone here referred to that as the Magic Cam, I’m actually eyeballing that one for my sons 78 Magnum w/360 we’re building w/Speedmaster heads and Speed Pros for a nice compression bump.
 
I got a new 280/.474 but unfortunately was not stored correctly and has rust on it. Hopefully, I can clean it up and see if it’s usable. It would be a nice grind in one of my 360’s.
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Moparhead said:
Ok what was your favorite go too street strip hydraulic flat tappet cams from the 70s-80s. Mopar performance ect lift and duration.
Mine is the hemi street grind and 484.
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My first ever MoPar engine rebuild was a 440 and I used the (early) Direct Connection "Hemi" grind, which was ground on a 108 LSA (later widened to 110) and had 284* advertized duration (later shortened to 280*). Needless to say, the newer cam was disappointing (sounding) in comparison when it came out. I loved the way it ran, but I did need an 11" converter. I was 17yrs old and working part time, so funds were limited, and I really didn't understand matching stall/gearing/cams yet-lol. It had 3.23 gears ('66 Coronet), so it was a little soft off the line, but a really good road machine.

Helped a friend with a 400 Dart and he bought a 280H Comp Magnum (then the latest craze), 280*/230*/110*LSA/.480" cam for it. It sounded pretty good but I wasn't really sold on how it ran.

Built a 318 with a Cam Dynamics "Energizer" (now Crane Cams) 272*/216*/110*LSA/.454" and was very satisfied with it. Sounded mean at idle and had a wide powerband, still my go-to on a 318 with headers and 3.23-3.55 gears and 2400 stall..

My go-to on "B" 383/400s in resto/mild daily drivers (3.23 gears) is the old Crane "EconoPower" 272/284* .454/.480" 112*LSA which is an ancient design. Good vacuum and revs nice with a noticeable idle. Similarly, my go-to in a HOT street 440 that's daily driven with a 2500+ converter and 3.55+ gears is the old Crane "Commander" 302/312* .504/.528" 112*LSA. These cams are reliable and predictable, and still work well today.

If you can find them anymore, the Cam Dynamics "Enforcer" tight LSA cams work well, I've seen those run good with 4 speeds in 340s on the street. One of the better running 340 automatic bracket cars I've seen ran a General Kinetics 310/.507"/107*LSA hydraulic cam.
 
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"My go-to on "B" 383/400s in resto/mild daily drivers (3.23 gears) is the old Crane "EconPower" 272/284* .454/.480" 112*LSA which is an ancient design. Good vacuum and revs nice with a noticeable idle."

The first engine I ever rebuilt used that exact cam....it was the one item that was 'upgraded' over the PAW cam that came with the kit. It was $10 extra, which was a very serious outlay. It ran great, and is still in the engine today, still running....that's right at 40 years.

Crane was a great company in its heyday. One time, I bought a set of their excellent aluminum 1.5 ratio rocker arms from some guy in the classified ads. They were NIB but the box was old and shabby. I really wanted 1.6 ratio...I called Crane and the guy there said, "Send them to me (not 'us')". Plain and simple. So I did, and a couple weeks later a brand new set of 1.6's showed up. They even paid the UPS shipping to get them to me.
 
gregcon said:
"My go-to on "B" 383/400s in resto/mild daily drivers (3.23 gears) is the old Crane "EconPower" 272/284* .454/.480" 112*LSA which is an ancient design. Good vacuum and revs nice with a noticeable idle."

The first engine I ever rebuilt used that exact cam....it was the one item that was 'upgraded' over the PAW cam that came with the kit. It was $10 extra, which was a very serious outlay. It ran great, and is still in the engine today, still running....that's right at 40 years.

Crane was a great company in its heyday. One time, I bought a set of their excellent aluminum 1.5 ratio rocker arms from some guy in the classified ads. They were NIB but the box was old and shabby. I really wanted 1.6 ratio...I called Crane and the guy there said, "Send them to me (not 'us')". Plain and simple. So I did, and a couple weeks later a brand new set of 1.6's showed up. They even paid the UPS shipping to get them to me.
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I started early with Crane, as a teenager, with Buicks (455). I ordered a Crower cam from PAW, back when they had the huge catalog with all the cams listed, not just Chevy and Ford like Summit/Jegs. Problem was, their typos in the part number listings got me two sizes bigger cam than what I wanted, and I had a heavy car (LeSabre) with desert gears (2.56). I had waited over a month for the Crower, and when I called and pointed out THEIR mistake/misprint, they offered a similar size Crane cam to the Crower I wanted, and it was in stock (1 week wait), so I bit. Crane no longer lists the cam I was sent, but it was a quick-rate cam for .842" (Buick size) compared to their shelf cams for Olds/Chevy etc., and it worked super in my sled. I still browse Ebay for Crane products NOS from the era before the S&S buyout, especially rockers (alum and ductile), lifters and of course cams.
 
S.Rodney said:
I'm no mechanic but I do read / gather tons of info before I choose what's going on my build... Still, no matter how much I read about camshafts, I understand what the stats mean (duration, lobe separation, etc.) but how that translates into "real life" application, I'm lost. (that's the lack of experience talkin')

Here's the final build I'm aiming for...

My original 318 (numbers matching block) with:
- KB Pistons (KB167) Standard bore (I want to keep displacement as close to 318 as possible)
- original rods & crankshaft
- Indy/RHS LA-X Heads (milled by local Performance Machine shop)
- Edelbrock RPM Air-Gap Intake
- original manifolds + 2.5 inch dual exhaust (h-pipe) from TTI
- Either Street Demon carb OR Sniper EFI system (not decided yet but I'd guess EFI is a must for a daily driver)
- original A904 (will be rebuilt by local transmission shop)
- Gear Vendors Under/Overdrive
- original 8.25 Diff... (thinking of installing Sure-Grip and 3.55 ratio)

As far as camshaft goes I was thinking of getting the P4452782AE kit (.429/.444 lift and 268/276 duration).

(what are you gonna use the car for ?)
- Daily Driver
- Occasionnal Weekend fun (Drag Strip, Lapping, Auto X)

Am I too conservative, too aggressive ? What camshaft would you use for that ?
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I see this is a forgotten question but I just gotta jump in here;
Rodney, IMO, yur in trouble
With stock bores, and log manifolds you are spending your money in all the wrong places.
Forget the GV; forget the Sniper, forget the cam and forget the heads.

I want you to think about air as water. When you pour it into the cylinders with old tapered and out of round bores, it runs right past the rings and into the pan.
Now bolt the heads on and install a big cam and start pouring water into it. Now it is still leaking into the pan, but now there is, at WOT nearly 15psi of head on the water, all trying to get out the exhaust ports and piling up in the log manifolds.
So your 5000 rpm heads and 5500 rpm intake, and 6000 rpm cam are all forced to work at 4000 rpm into a 3000rpm log manifold;
What are you thinking?

You number one goal as a Hot-Rodder is to get the water to fly thru the engine. And number one is to make it easy to exit.
It's easy to get the air in, and even easier to get the gas in, but when the exhaust leaves it is or was at maybe 10 times it's inducted volume, so getting it out is a really big problem, and if 10% of it ends up cooking the oil in your pan, that is just ugly.
So look; I see you are ready to spend really really big bucks on the Heads, GVod and EFI, trying to stuff a 10 pound horse into a 5 pound box, it ain't a goin to fit.
So back up the bus and spend that money where it does the most good.
And that starts with your chassis and those 3.55s
Ok so my computer efed up again and dumped more than 30 minutes of one-finger typing into cyber space; I hate it when that happens,lol.

Sooooo, if you wanna hear the rest of my thoughts, PM me. I'm a lil miffed at the moment.
Btw
I get really excited talking about this kindof stuff, passionate even. So if it gets loud in here, I'm not talking down to you, I'm just passionate.
 
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From my old memory as far as street cams go, the Crane Fireball was either really popular back then or they gave away a lot of stickers There were also quite a few Crane Blazer stickers in the windows of cars that went clickety clack.
 
284/484 Isky hydraulic in my 79 Magnum XE. Killer street cam, good manners & plenty of vacuum for brakes & AC. Someone had one for sale here recently.
 
I ran a mopar 284 484 cam in my 440 in a 73 cuda. It was an awesome street cam. Won alot of street races with it. My daily driver too.
 
Crane cams bought Cam Dynamics years ago. GK also disappeared many moons ago. Comp bought Crane & the Crane brand seems to going also, just selling up old stock.
I like Isky cams, the tight LSA works. My 1996 Mopar Perf catalog surprised me with comments & info on the Hemi cams. The street hemi sol & hyd repro cams are ground on 106 LSA, which the accompanying notes say is an 'exact match' for the original cams. Is that correct? I thought the original cams were on wider LSAs, as was the thinking at that time.
 
My friends and I had lot of chevys growin up, cause they were cheap and everywhere. One of the more popular cams we used was ground by a company called Alliance. It was .480/292 (230 @ .050) on a 109. Sounded good in a 350 I had in a Nova. I had the Edelbrock Scorpion intake, 186 double humps with 2.02s, headers, turbo 350 with a Trans Parts of Macon Daaco 2800 converter and 4.10 gears. Those were the days.
 
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