Steering Box - What model is this? Should I upgrade to power?

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Rod 69 Cuda

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Thinking of upgrading to power steering but someone mentioned the one I have in the photos is a quick ratio desirable manual steering box...Is that true? It is the original off of a fender tag, "A56" "69 only, 340 Cuda Package". Or should I upgrade to Power? All thoughts are appreciated.

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Count the number of turns lock to lock will tell you want ratio it is.
 
Power is neither an upgrade nor a downgrade, it's just a change. The only wat to tell, as far as I know, whether that is a 16:1 box or the standard 24:1 is to count the turns lock-to-lock. Around 3.5 for the 16:1 and 5.5 for the 24:1. Power requires a shorter steering shaft and a different coupler.
 
Power steering sucks on a car with horsepower....oversteer from hell...leave it manual...
 
I converted to power and do no regret it at all. With a Firm Feel Stage 3 box and a 900 psi Saginaw pump its about like driving a car with a manual rack and a 4 cylinder under the hood. Heavy but precise and controlled and that's with 215/45/17 (will change to 225/45/17) tires up front and an aluminum headed 340 shifting a TKO 600. My GTS is a street car and I expect it to take corners at speed. I drove it with a manual 24:1 box and hated every minuet of it. The only way I would consider the 24:1 manual box is if it were a dedicated drag car

My Dad's 440 and 4 speed 66 Coronet 500 is a great to drive with a stage 1 box and standard pressure Saginaw pump. I used to drive this car with an auto and stock power box and yea it sucked, the stock boxes/pumps are way over assisted but that can be fixed.

It really comes down to how are going to use and drive your car?
 
Something to think about/ the boys are right. For most people the stock power steering steers toooo easy, especially for more performance handling. The company- Firm Feel. can modify your P/S box to get back firmer "feel".
 
As to the PS box; You can take some sensitivity out of it by swapping in more or, stiffer reaction discs like I did, and set it up how you like it. And you can play with the pressure as well.
Once I had it tuned for my little 12 inch diameter, thick-foam-rimmed steering wheel, it was fantastic fun.
I got the discs from the Mopar dealer for next to nothing cheap.
 
I've been through a couple of steering boxes, but am not sure what the reaction discs are. I've got one apart for my son's Dart for cleaning and new seals. We'd like it a little stiffer than factory, but it's not a huge deal if it's not.
 
I never have understood why anyone would want power steering on an A body, unless it came that way. Even then, unless it was an original performance version, I would change it to manual. THey just aren't heavy enough to need power steering. Maybe if you're a really light small woman....
 
I never have understood why anyone would want power steering on an A body, unless it came that way. Even then, unless it was an original performance version, I would change it to manual. THey just aren't heavy enough to need power steering. Maybe if you're a really light small woman....

A couple of reasons. Good condition manual boxes are hard to find, new are more expensive than power. In the case of my son's Barracuda it was not at all about effort, but was about turns lock-lock while he was autocrossing and 16:1 manual boxes are even harder to find (yes, parts are now available and expensive).

In the case of my Barracuda, I want my wife to be able to drive it and I have given up on finding a good manual box anyway. It had power steering in it when I bought it. She hasn't driven one of the big block cars yet. Her daily driver from when she was 21 is sitting next to the Barracuda. It did have factory power steering and little else beyond being a 340 GTS convertible.

My son's Dart is getting power this time around for the same reasons that my Barracuda has it. He wants his wife to drive it, once at least. And, his right shoulder is worn out. He can still shift, though. Now, I need to get a seal kit for his steering box...

None of the cars have power brakes, however.
 
A couple of reasons. Good condition manual boxes are hard to find, new are more expensive than power. In the case of my son's Barracuda it was not at all about effort, but was about turns lock-lock while he was autocrossing and 16:1 manual boxes are even harder to find (yes, parts are now available and expensive).

In the case of my Barracuda, I want my wife to be able to drive it and I have given up on finding a good manual box anyway. It had power steering in it when I bought it. She hasn't driven one of the big block cars yet. Her daily driver from when she was 21 is sitting next to the Barracuda. It did have factory power steering and little else beyond being a 340 GTS convertible.

My son's Dart is getting power this time around for the same reasons that my Barracuda has it. He wants his wife to drive it, once at least. And, his right shoulder is worn out. He can still shift, though. Now, I need to get a seal kit for his steering box...

None of the cars have power brakes, however.

I said woman. lol
 
In my 68 street Barracuda, I have installed a 12" steering wheel because 3.5 turns loc-to-loc, is just 11 feet of rim motion, down from about 14.7 ft or more, with the Factory wheel.That's a savings of 25%
One full turn of the factory wheel is about is about 4.2ft of rim motion; so the grant wheel is saving me the equivalent of MORE than 1 full turn of rim motion with the factory wheel.
With the small wheel, this motion takes ~33% more torque, so it becomes a speed/endurance contest.
On the front, at one time, were 245/50-15 sticky tires at 28psi. With P/S, I can whack that small Grant wheel over, hard and fast, time after time after time; without arm fatigue.
I stiffened it up with the reaction discs, so it would feel closer to standard steering, while still retaining the 3.5 turns loc-to-loc.

IMO,
for performance street driving, with say 300hp, and with skinny tires (255 or less) on the back;
NOT having P/S is a recipe for spin-outs; cuz when the back steps out, you only have micro-seconds to correct; and the brakes ,when you are sliding sideways, only make it worse. If this happens in traffic, you better be out front a good ways, cuz going backwards at 30 mph ,facing the wrong way, and bouncing up onto the median, rarely ends well. And when you have the only second generation Barracuda in the neighborhood, with a custom, one-of-a-kind, 2-tone paint job, everybody knows your name.
With 350hp and 275s, same thing.
with 400 hp you need a minimum street tire of 295 back there, to keep the back in the back, while performing loc-to-loc maneuvers.
And it sure is nice to have P/S when yur trying to find the line with the rear tires on fire, cuz that line is in constant flux.
But I do agree that A-bodies, with 4 same sized skinny tires at 30/32 psi, and say 95% of the time; standard steering is just fine. I've had a couple of lo-po standard steering Barracudas, that were
"just fine".
 
I never have understood why anyone would want power steering on an A body, unless it came that way. Even then, unless it was an original performance version, I would change it to manual. THey just aren't heavy enough to need power steering. Maybe if you're a really light small woman....

I'm going to convert because it gives me the faster 16:1 steering ratio and I have the parts. So $0 investment beyond the sweat equity.

Don't have an issue with the effort to drive the car with manual steering, been that way for the 20+ years I have owned. But the hand-over-hand method of going around the round-abouts has me really wanting a faster ratio. Was going to do the PST 16:1 box, but could use the money elsewhere.

Wait, technically maybe I don't have all the parts. The coupler on the PS column is beat up and I need a pitman arm. Still far cheaper than the new box I was going to buy.
 
I just bought a new reconditioned one for $100. And I get to keep the old one too.

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I prefer power as well. Naturally I like my Borgeson box as the redone stock boxes I had all leaked and really didn’t have the on center feel of a modern car. Secondly, I run a hydroboost which requires ps.
It really comes down to usage and preferences.
 
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