Hydraulic Lifters

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RustyRatRod

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We got into a lively discussion over on the .org site about hydraulic lifters. Here's what I wrote and also found out. I thought I would share here, since it's useful information.

Alrighty! I already had one spare new Lunati Micro Trol big block hydraulic lifter. I ordered a sealed power 2089 slant six hydraulic lifter. As I suspected, there is one small difference, but not in operation. The slant six lifter has the disc check valve eliminated under the pushrod cup, to allow oil to bleed back out of the lifter and back up the pushrod, since it does not have the hole in the side body. Other than that, the two types of lifters are 100% completely interchangeable. The big block lifter is the same dimensions and has the bleed off hole in the side, which would certainly work in the slant six. In fact, there ARE some part numbers for the slant six hydraulic lifters that DO have the bleed holes on the side, just the same as the rest. Just look at the Comp 820 hydraulic lifter for the Slant Six. They have the side bleed hole and although I've not torn one down, I can guarantee they also have the disc check valve as well. That's the only reason the Sealed Power does not have it, is because they choose to leave the disc out and allow the in hole to be used for the out. On the slant six lifter here, oil comes in the pushrod cup hole, fills the lifter on the base circle and then expels a very small amount, like all other lifters, just AFTER full lift. Rinse and repeat. The only difference is, the lifters without the side bleed holes, use the same hole going out as they do coming in. The lifter is pressurized just the same in one hole as it is the other. Here are pictures. I did not get a good shot of the disc in the Lunati lifter on the left, but it is under the pushrod cup. The disc does not stop oil from going into the pushrod on the AMC engines, it simply controls "when". Again, these two lifters are totally interchangeable in the slant six, just as I said before and have done and seen done for a long time. Luntai lifter on the left, Sealed Power slant six lifter on the right. Argue away.

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I believe that small blocks take the same hyd lifters as big blocks and /6 too. I do know that all spec the same one if solids are used
 
I believe that small blocks take the same hyd lifters as big blocks and /6 too. I do know that all spec the same one if solids are used

Well, sometimes. lol It depends on who makes them. There's also a difference in the big block lifters.....I THINK it's 66 and back. The oil bands are in a different place, so you have to pay attention.
 
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Oh, and the one point I left out of this little write up is.....when I said the two lifters are 100% completely interchangeable, I was regarding the slant six, not the big block. Since the slant six lifters I'm talking about HERE do not have the hole in the side body, there's no "in hole" for the big block, so the slant six lifter without the side hole would not work in the big block.....not that I could ever imagine anyone even thinking of doing THAT. Some things you just "FIGURE" go without saying, but I came back to say it anyway. LOL
 
And for information's sake, I've also ordered a Comp 820-1 lifter to inspect it as well. It'll be a bit though, as the single lifter has to come straight from Comp. Although several vendors showed one in stock, true to form, that was not the case.
 
And for information's sake, I've also ordered a Comp 820-1 lifter to inspect it as well. It'll be a bit though, as the single lifter has to come straight from Comp. Although several vendors showed one in stock, true to form, that was not the case.
Don't get too anxious, it'll be 2 mos soon since Summit's "ship direct from" Comp, &they pushed it back 2 more wks last wk, to the mid of April for 1772 retainers....
small block & big block lifters are not the same, they will fit & operate the same but the "waist"cut-out is higher on the BB due to the position & size of the oil galleries, SB's have large galleries almost smack dab in the middle that typically get exposed at max lift by conventional rollers, there were only a couple of rollers with the body plunge-cut instead of pass-thru that hugged the wheel & could accept decent lift w/o bushing the bores or sleeving & peening the galleries(pittsburghracer had some pics of His block prep about a yr back). BB's have no such issue. I'm sure for stock apps & parts consolidation, some mfrs may put the machining somewhere "in the middle" of the lifter body. Yes, the pushrod cup ht was changed after '66 on BB's. Love to get an explanation from the engineers for that one...
 
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