You can call Jesus and that's not gonna do you any good. How many degrees ground into the cam taint got nuthin to do with nuthin with "WHERE" the cam will end up installed in YOUR engine. The only way to do it and know FOR SURE where the cam is, is to put the wheel on it and degree it. Usually when people ask if the cam has advance ground into it, they are hoping they can just stab it in and go. IT must be degreed if you want to know where it is, and that's just the long and short of it.