Alterkation or K1?

go-fish said
Hot tank and sand blast that cracked flimsy K-member. Weld that up too along with the LCA's. Not everyone welds so that could be added to the cost and no welding required for a coilover kit. $$$

You don't have to weld the LCA's because I included the QA1's in the first price. Not everyone's K is cracked. And quite frankly, if you plan to do the chassis reinforcement that EITHER path would need you're going to be doing a lot of welding, or a lot of paying. I ran the stock K on my Challenger for 70k miles with most of the modifications I listed. Is it good to reinforce the stock K? Yes. Is it absolutely necessary? NO.

go-fish said
Borgeson box for a full tilt torsion bar suspension adds $1380. So add $604 if you want power steering (subtracting the cost of a 16:1 man. box). If you want any kind of power steering that adds to the cost. Not everyone wants to turn wide *** front tires with even a 16:1 manual box. A manual rack does as good a job as a power box.

What everyone wants is of no consequence. It's not my fault you need a Borgeson to turn, I do not. My car is no less "full tilt" than yours, I can steer just fine with the 16:1 manual box and 275/35/18's.

And if you want a power box to power rack comparison, remember again the AlterK price ALSO goes up to $4,995. Hey, that's $700, why, that's more than $604 isn't it? But you want to compare manual to power. Funny if I do that it's "disingenuous", but it's ok for you?

Oh, and I know that $1,380 is Bergman's price for his all included master kit for the Borgeson, but guys have done it for less. I'd buy a kit, but again, if you're going to nickel and dime me, well, back at you.

go-fish said
Upgrade to the expensive Hotchkis shocks for an apples to apples comparison.

Hey I don't run them, and I am of the opinion that they aren't even necessary based on how the non-adjustables work on my car. You want a setting you never actually change, awesome. The non-adjustables are more than good enough. You could argue that Bilstein RCD's are more than good enough actually, and they're cheaper.

Your AlterK price doesn't have a sway bar remember.

go-fish said
You and I could go back and forth on this. Yes, I think you were being very disingenuous with your figures earlier.

I'm done with the back and forth with you. I'm not here to try to argue which system is better and I'm done calling you out when you trump stuff up to try to prove a point.

When it comes to the comparison debate just know that I have insight on both systems. I'm here to tell you and everyone, no matter the verdict of which is "best", the cost comparison is negligible. Perhaps the coilover kits are more but it is a few hundred dollars on ~$4,000 expenditure. If you are pinching pennies stick to Rock Auto.

I'm being disingenuous? You used a AlterK price that doesn't even include a sway bar. And never said one word about it either. I said my prices were over a year old, any adult that's bought anything recently knows that inflation has effected prices. Except the RMS prices apparently, if that's really accurate.

You called me a liar sir, if you want to talk about "trumping things up". I backed up everything I said, the parts list is right there. If you want to nickel and dime me on parts choices, fine, but I said you can do it cheaper and you CAN. And I'd put the car built with the parts from my list against an AlterK car any day.

Where's YOUR price list? You called me out, I backed up what I said. And why is it a $4,000 expenditure now, I thought the torsion bar set up was $5,515 ? Or can you not back that up with a price list? What's an AlterK with manual steering and a sway bar cost?