I agree. I had a 1965 plymouth Belvedere II 2 door hard top. All steel with a fiberglass hood and scoop. 440 with 727, Dana 60 with a 10 point cage. Car weighed 3420 with me in it. Sold it and after on built a 73 Big block dart. All steel with fiberglass hood scoop. 8-3/4 rear. 440/ 727, no roll bar. I did remove the crash bar out of the front bumper.. the car weighed 3520 with me in it. I couldn't beleaeve the dart was heaver than my 65 plymouth.