Right and they have some silicon in them I'm sure makes perfect sense. Just not what I need for my application right. I get the part of why I don't need to spend on forged for something I really don't need. I have a buddy has forged like yours he makes way more horsepower but he does not track the car and just drives it 15 years since the build 351 CJ as a 390 stroker around 550 HP. For sure reliable but for my application not something I really need.