I must be getting old. There's a family that moved in down the street with at least 2 teenage boys. They both (and all their friends) own late model 4 cylinder fart can muffler cars. Geez, those things are like fingernails on a chalk board. I would much rather hear a 8 cylinder with a bad muffler. Heck, the loud pick ups sound sweet compared to these little rice grinders! Rant over.