And I'm fine with that. I may come up short, and I've stated that already. I did go 13.9's consistently with my 360 Duster, no headers, stock converter, stock heads, 2.45 gears, and a real small cam (smaller than a factory 340 cam). But that was a different project and test and that car has had some changes since, now runs 12.9's. By the way, I appreciate your honesty in stating what you actually ran with your 360.