Thats not it,I end up kicked our of the threads by mods. The thing is,there are alot of immature people here wo,won't listen and they get testy and smart assed, I get smart assed back its perceived as rude. I'm old school Noone is more testy and smart asked than me. LOL! I have no issue with 318s, but my perception of what they are isn't a performance engine. Let's use the Ford 5.0 as an example, there is a 5.0 that's in a truck,then there is a 5.0 HO thats in a Fox Body GT. Yeah,I can gather parts,do research, and convert a 5.0 truck engine to a 5.0 HO, but until I am done I would have been better off buying a 5.0 HO and building it. Its the same scenario here or that's how I see it. I don't have to prove to the world I can make a 318 perform like a 340. I get it that the 318 is all that's left and they used to be cheap because they made millions off them and they were everywhere but they are not some great legendary performance platform for a variety of reasons.